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Originally Posted by pan6467
People speak of "morale" so I ask what is more morale busting:
Someone like myself saying the troops are fighting in a war that we were lied to about and are doing so underequipped, undersupplied, staying longer than they should, (while Halliburton continues to make billions) and coming home to find they were lied to about their benefits from this administration.
Or someone who blindly follows this administration denies, ignores and stays quiet over the facts and simply says, you're unpatriotic and not supporting the troops if you don't believe in the war.
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Out of the rather limited options you provided, I'd say the first, definitely. Where do you get the idea that the soldiers are "underequipped, undersupplied, staying longer than they should"??? You make it sound like the Russians getting run out of Afghanistan in moldy tennis shoes. Nothing could be further from the truth. Does every single soldier among the 150,000 or so over there now have every nut & bolt they WANT? No. Do they have what they NEED to do the job. Yes, they do. They're doing it right now. The Iraqis are busy preparing a constitution.
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Latest war in sharp contrast to past efforts
By Terry Boyd and Ward Sanderson, Stars and Stripes
Soldiers in their battle rattle in Iraq probably don’t want to hear this, but generations of American soldiers have lived harder and fought longer with less training, equipment and support.
World War II troops headed to Europe and the Pacific not knowing when they would return home. Some servicemembers in Vietnam didn’t communicate with home for months. Even Desert Storm warriors somehow survived without the Internet or much else in the way of leisure.
One soldier in Iraq brought a combat veteran’s perspective to how today’s troops compare with their predecessors.
First Sgt. William Oxendine, 53, a National Guardsman with the Arizona-based 855th Military Police Co., served in Vietnam, Haiti and in both wars with Iraq.
In a survey of living conditions in Iraq, Oxendine noted that today’s soldier has it made compared with yesterday’s veterans. In his opinion, most complaints about morale aren’t justified. “We have more things and opportunities than anyone else in the world. Soldiers of today are just as well-trained as in the past, but they’re definitely softer when it comes to living conditions.”
They expect improvements to happen quickly, “and now we’re in a situation where these things [Internet, phones and television] are not available,” Oxendine wrote. “A lot of young people can’t comprehend why they’re not here.”
Oxendine made one phone call in 18 months while serving in Vietnam in 1970 and 1971, he wrote.
Others in Iraq think that in today’s high-tech military, historical comparisons don’t hold up.
One master sergeant with 21 years in the Army wrote that in the new millennium, troops do and should expect better camps.
“This campaign is certainly my worst ever,” the military policeman wrote from Iraq. “We deserve better living conditions, with air conditioning, showers and laundry facilities. This is the year 2003, not the 1950s or 1960s. Technology is with us. Yet our living conditions still are below standard.”
A first lieutenant in Iraq wrote, “Soldiers or people comparing this conflict to WWII, Korea or Vietnam are not making valid comparisons of size, scale, scope, mission, enemy, mood, weapons and so on.”
Others believe that America’s military missions have changed since the wars of past, while troops’ expectations have risen. This and the advent of a demanding, all-volunteer force can test morale.
Sixty years ago “it was a different world, and mostly because of the clarity of the war,” said historian Thomas Allen, National Geographic writer and author of “World War II: America at War, 1941-1945.”
“And I think if you look at World War II, then Korea, then Vietnam, then Iraq I and then Iraq II, I think after World War II you lose the war aim, and the clarity of war,” Allen said. “There’s a fog around it somehow.”
A National Guardsman surveyed by Stars and Stripes in Fallujah agreed. “In past wars, from what I’ve read or seen, it seemed as though everyone had a ‘known’ mission,” wrote Spc. Shawn Smoot of the 890th Engineer Battalion. “We’re in the dark.”
In the Stars and Stripes survey and in interviews, many soldiers in Iraq referenced yesterday’s wars; some defensively, some with awe.
One soldier at Baghdad International Airport pined for the days of traditional combat. “I think soldiers in the past wars were in real wars, not this peacekeeping deal,” said Sgt. Jose Gutierrez, 26. “They are the heroes and I give it to them for being real soldiers — unlike us, complaining about no Internet or phones or air conditioning.”
Though soldiers in Iraq endure temperatures as high as 140 degrees, fighting conditions were just as terrible during the campaigns of World War II.
“They had a helluva time,” said Herman Chanowitz, 88, a WWII veteran now living in Naples, Italy. “Living conditions here in Italy during the wintertime, going from one particular hill they captured to another hill. Fighting and fighting and fighting under horrible conditions. I don’t know how they could take it all. Nothing to look forward to but getting to the next hill and capture it.”