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Originally Posted by shakran
You can't have it both ways. Either we have well trained military that's got plenty of discipline, or we've got a bunch of frat boys. Which is it?
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That's a very common, but wildly inaccurate, viewpoint of the military.
A more accurate summation would be that you can't pump up soldiers to the point that they will charge point-blank into enemy fire, and then expect them to amuse themselves by extending their pinkies at tea parties after the shooting stops.