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Originally Posted by stingc
The girl is in the quotes, but she's completely incidental. Even when she isn't there, it's obvious that the guy isn't going to go have sex with his hand.
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I was replying to this statement of yours: "None of those quotes except for JinnKai's says anything about the woman involved." I'm glad to see that you now concede that they do say something about the woman.
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There are instances where it can be used to complain about the woman, but it is not at all automatic.
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I don't believe I've ever said this was a complaint about the woman. My point is that phrasing the complaint in this manner is insulting to the woman involved.
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It depends on the context. Lots of language can be insulting, but usually isn't. It depends on context.
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Exactly, it depends upon the context. The context here was that it was used on a public message board frequented by a large number of women, many of whom have reported that they found that particular usage offensive, and by men who were not part of the OP's social group. In that context, I find it insulting.
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It was obvious to me (and other's who knew what it meant) that there was no insult implied here. Jesus Pimp clearly got fed up eventually, and stopped replying maturely. I almost feel like doing that too. Stop going out of your way to find problems with things.
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I'm not going out of my way. It's right there at the top of the thread: Ho's. As in whores. Further explanations have done nothing to change my perception that calling women whores is insulting.
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Only the last of these says anything negative about the woman. That is a valid use of the phrase, but as I said above, it is one of many. It is not necessarily insulting to those who understand its meaning. Look, I know what the phrase means, and you admittedly don't. Just trust me.
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That I disagree with you does not mean I don't understand. Where exactly have I "admitted" to not understanding?
I understand the meaning quite well, as it has been explained many times in this thread. It means, roughly "You should should not allow a relationship with a woman interfere with your relationship with your friends." Phrased this, way I find no problem with it. When you substitute whore for woman, as in the phrase Bros before hos, it becomes insulting. It isn't the situation being described that is offensive, it is the wording used to describe it.
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You missed my point. It was that the meaning of the overall phrase was completely different than the meanings of the individual words. This isn't exactly the only place that this happens in the english language.
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I understand quite well how idiom works. This particular phrase was used not in a private discussion among a group of friends, but in a public fourm. Many of the women have posted, saying that they found the phrasing insulting. Thus, regardless of the intent, and I'm not entirely convinced that the OP's intent was entirely devoid of disrespect for the woman involved, as is evidenced by his subsequent posts, in the context of a public discussion, calling women whores is insulting.