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Old 06-26-2005, 04:41 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Again, you're reading far too much into it. None of those quotes except for JinnKai's says anything about the woman involved.
Read the quotes again. Of the five, only one doesn't specifically refer to the woman.

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If a man is choosing sex over friendship, then he's the one making that decision. The girl usually has no obligations to the man's friends. The phrase is directed solely at him.
Regardless of who the phrase is addressed to, it refers to the woman involved as a whore. Unless the woman involved is a prostitute, it's use must be for purpose of denigrating her. That the man using this phrase is talking about women in an insulting manner rather than to women does not change this.

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There is also no implication that women are only good for sex.
We must not be reading the same explanations. I see that clearly implied in many of the interpretations:

"The phrase stems from a distinct, oftentimes common, occurance of the man putting his woman before his friends. "

"friend ditched us for girlfriend "

"go and only hang out with their girlfriends for sex."

"women who prevent their boyfriends/husbands from having any social life outside their relationship don't deserve any respect in my book"

These phrases are being used as explanations for the phrase "bro's before ho's" Simple substitution shows us that in this context, friend = bro (brother) and girlfriend/woman = ho (whore). A whore is a woman who has sex for money. Other explanations are more explicit, referring to women whose boyfriends choose them over their friends as "sexually promiscuous" or "pussy".

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Maybe the fact that you don't have relationships with men is clouding your judgement...
First, there's no need to make this personal. My sexual orientation has nothing to do with the discussion.

Second, all of my casual friends are male--remember the comic group I referred to earlier? All guys. They're late teens/early 20's. I have no idea how they talk with each othe when I'm not around, and frankly I don't care. They don't, however, refer to women as whores, or use demeaning language to describe women when they're around me because that would be rude.

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Yes, it was probably clear enough in this context. But all of the complaining should have died off after it was explained that nothing negative was implied.
Jesus Pimp's subesequent posts in this thread made it pretty clear to me that something negative was implied.

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As a related issue, a lot of slang terms have meanings that are different from their component words. For example, I've heard girls say things like "it took a lot of balls for me to do that." I think the meaning of that is so well-known that nobody would interpret her as saying that she was trying to be a man, was a transsexual, carried around a bunch of marbles, etc. Yet each of those interpretations might be possible for someone who was just learning english, and didn't know about slang yet. That's the kind of overanalysis you're applying in this thread.
"it took a lot of balls to do that" is a compliment. Calling a woman a whore is an insult. That's the kind of analysis I'm applying in this thread.
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