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Old 06-22-2005, 09:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
Lebell
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You guys....

So far from what I've read, most sources agree that the facts are:

1) Had current WMD's: False.
2) Republicans AND Democrats believed he had current WMD's: True.
3) Planned to resume production of WMD's when heat was off: True.
4) Tied to 9/11 Terrorists: False.
5) Tied to Palestinian Terrorists: True.
6) US supported him during Iran/Iraq war: True.
7) US sold him pathogen samples prior to this war: True.
8) Bush wanted Saddam out regardless and may have fudged WMD intelligence: Undetermined
9) Nigerian Uranium: False
10) Iraq in violation of original UN resolution: True
11) Saddam was secretly selling oil with the collusion of top level French and UN authorities: True
12) Saddam was a mass murderer: True
13) The US knew about 12 and did nothing about it: Depends on what you mean by "nothing". US tried using diplomacy at first.
14) The US has supported other dictators who've committed atrocities against their own people: True.
15) The US has, in the past, fabricated excuses to go to war against soverign nations: True.
16) US troops have committed certain atrocities such as the Abu Gharab prison scandal.:True
17) Many of the current "freedom" fighters in Iran are foreign nationals who are trying to ignite a civil war between Shiite and Sunni Iraqis: True


Mea culpa if I have a few details wrong, but I believe that this list is correct on the whole. I also am confident that others on both sides will add to it

Any discussion of the "rightness" or "wrongness" of this current war occurs in a vacuum if one does not consider all of the factors, current and historical.

As is well known here, my own opinion is that, on the whole, this war is just.
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