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Originally Posted by Seer666
Batman Begins. 15/10
They FINNALY got Batman movie right. I've heard a lot of poeple say they wish they would have done the fights sceans, but as it waspointed out to me, that made it feel MORE like a Frank Miller comic book. Think about it. how often do you see him in a full out fight in the comics? Not much. This film was meant to give the impression of Batman. And boy does it ever. Bale nailed the roll dead on. Great cast, great acting, great story.
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I disagree.
First, the movie was based chiefly on Year One, drawn by Dave Mazuchelli, with elements borrowed from The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, (early days stories written by Jeoph Loeb) which were drawn by Tim Sale. I got out my Year One hardback (great book, very reasonable price) and checked the fight scenes, and they show pretty clearly what's going on, especially given that it's a comic with only still images.
Frank Miller did draw The Dark Knight Returns, and once again, it's pretty much the opposite of the rapid cutting that obscures the action. He revels in setting up the seminal moments of a fight. Look at the climactic fight between Batman and the leader of the gang; it's a series of clearly drawn moments. Even better, look at the movie Sin City, and at the fight scenes there. They're set up as a series of connected moments, cut together, true, but in such a way that it's pretty clear what's going on in the fight.
The fights in Batman Begins looked more like an early 90's MTV video--so many cuts made so rapidly that it's practically nasea inducing.
Maybe its a perception thing. Those of us who hold up Jet Li's Hong Kong action movies--clear linear presentation--as a basis for comparison are going to find the fights lacking. Those who are more used to MTV style music video cutting--a montage style of presentation--won't even notice that you can't tell what's going on in the fights because it's more familiar.
Me, I want to understand who's hitting whom and when and how, which is something you get in comics when they're well done. Look at the best martial arts books, Shang Chi, Way of the Rat, Batgirl, The Karate Kid*, and you'll see clearly presented confrontations. Montage doesn't really reflect the comic effect.
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Yes that was a joke. The Karate Kid is easily the worst martial arts comic in history.