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roachboy · 06-21-2005, 10:30 AM

well, it seems to me that if you find no evidence that the premises for bushwar were problematic, then you simply are not looking.
there is an enormous amount. thread after thread here on the matter too. maybe do a search?

because i agree with you that the entire debate hinges on your relation to that information. if you know about it, and find it compelling, then the question of whether something should happen to bushco. because of it becomes important--even if you end up having to conclude that for political reasons--and political reasons alone--nothing will happen. at least not in the short run. i imagine that you will find this whole period being radically criticized once the histories of it start to come out.

but judging from your recycle of the tired rightwing cliche about "bushbashing" above, the sole function of which is to create the grounds for dismissing unpleasant facts that come from a reality that the right cannot comprehend much less shape or control, i doubt that you would read such histories.

you seem to have a strange relation to the ny times--something of a conservative caricature that would have us believe that the nyt is some kind of radical oppositional outlet--which leads to the question of whether you actually read the paper. i cannot see how, if you actually read the times, that you can see it in these terms. like most media outlets, the nyt is necessarily legitimist--its coverage presupposes the legitimacy of the regime, its ability to speak to an audience rests on its ability to get and retain access--you do not see many reporters from the workers world with anything like this type of access, anything like this type of diverse information. i see the ny times as being slightly left of center--but if you view the world from a vantagepoint that would enable you to see a leftist in bill clinton, then i suspect you would also be able to fit the times into that fantasy grid.

as for the call for impeachment being a "fringe argument": if you look at recent polls, your support of the war places you in a minority--about 1/3 of the population supports it.
so it seems that you are not far from being a fringe element yourself, ranger.

06-21-2005, 10:30 AM	#22 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	well, it seems to me that if you find no evidence that the premises for bushwar were problematic, then you simply are not looking. there is an enormous amount. thread after thread here on the matter too. maybe do a search? because i agree with you that the entire debate hinges on your relation to that information. if you know about it, and find it compelling, then the question of whether something should happen to bushco. because of it becomes important--even if you end up having to conclude that for political reasons--and political reasons alone--nothing will happen. at least not in the short run. i imagine that you will find this whole period being radically criticized once the histories of it start to come out. but judging from your recycle of the tired rightwing cliche about "bushbashing" above, the sole function of which is to create the grounds for dismissing unpleasant facts that come from a reality that the right cannot comprehend much less shape or control, i doubt that you would read such histories. you seem to have a strange relation to the ny times--something of a conservative caricature that would have us believe that the nyt is some kind of radical oppositional outlet--which leads to the question of whether you actually read the paper. i cannot see how, if you actually read the times, that you can see it in these terms. like most media outlets, the nyt is necessarily legitimist--its coverage presupposes the legitimacy of the regime, its ability to speak to an audience rests on its ability to get and retain access--you do not see many reporters from the workers world with anything like this type of access, anything like this type of diverse information. i see the ny times as being slightly left of center--but if you view the world from a vantagepoint that would enable you to see a leftist in bill clinton, then i suspect you would also be able to fit the times into that fantasy grid. as for the call for impeachment being a "fringe argument": if you look at recent polls, your support of the war places you in a minority--about 1/3 of the population supports it. so it seems that you are not far from being a fringe element yourself, ranger. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 06-21-2005 at 10:36 AM..