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Originally posted by archer2371
Let me start with one thing, I don't care about the sexual indescrepencies of Clinton. I care about the fact that he lied to the American People and a Grand Jury, which is perjury and obstruction of justice
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Then why bring it up? The character flaws of Bill Clinton are irrelevant for he'll never be President again. The character flaws of George W. Bush are very relevant since he'll be seeking re-election. Now, I agree with you. The American people were lied to; the Grand Jury were lied to, which like you pointed out was very illegal. On the other hand, he wasn't charged, he wasn't impeached and he didn't do any jail time; fair? maybe not, but he's had his day in court and fair or not, he's a free man.
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And you keep bringing up the fact that "oh, that carrier stuff was all PR crap" CLINTON DID IT TOO, except, was he EVER part of the military?
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No, the
flying in the jet stuff was all PR crap. Speaking on the deck of an aircraft carrier to men in uniform is one thing, flying in on a jet fighter is something else entirely. I do seem to remember Clinton being
Commander-in-Chief there for a while....
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NO! He hightailed it to Canada to smoke dope and smoke crack. Ok, if the man is inept at diplomacy, how the heck did he negotiate that very high tension situation with China and the recon plane? Huh? Can anyone give me the answer on that one?
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First, you're throwing stones again. Second, It was only a high tension situation because we made it one. We shouldn't have been flying in China's airspace. We shouldn't have told them "it's time for them to send the plane back." We screwed up playing the toughguy bit, and China didn't flinch. Then it turned into gracious apology and feelings of "remorse and regret." Hardly a foreign policy coup.
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You bring up he whined about the WMD, that are in fact there, to the UN until they let him do it. He could have just sent the military straight to Iraq and done what has been done right from the get-go.
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I'm not sure what you meant by ,"that are in fact there," are you implying that there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq as a fact? I wasn't aware they had found any, but I'd like to read something on it if you've got a link to the story. And again, to be fair he did "just" send "the military straight to Iraq. He had no approval from any governing body.
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Ok, if he can be honest and evil at the same time, how is that possible, it doesn't go together, it just doesn't. He's a man of God, which I am thankful for, which will instill moral reasoning in his policies now, which I am also thankful for.
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I do think that President Bush is honest in his intent. That being said I don't want him instilling 'moral reasoning' into his/American policies. I want him to instill "rational reasoning" into American policies. Pervading American policy with moral reasoning isn't acceptable to most folks. We don't like the Government to interject moral reasoning into laws, we want them to fair, both in my opinion are two very different sides of the coin.
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And those WMD are there, trust me.
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I guess that cleared up my confusion from earlier. I was under the impression that the Gov't had pictures of factories linked to WMDs. Are entire factories disappearing?
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And the thing about the Texas Rangers, the Rangers will forever be a crappy team, because management doesn't realize that THEY NEED PITCHERS.
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Now, I'll agree with you there 100%
Every contending team needs a stellar bullpen
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Do you dare bring up something like that when Clinton continually showed no respect for the military whatsoever....
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Again, it's not the policies and political failings of William Jefferson Clinton that were debating here. You can't compare a former President to the sitting President; especially with the extraordinary circumstances that President Bush has had to face in September 11th and the subsequent war on Terror....Afghanistan...oops Iraq....
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And I believe 9/11 is a valid excuse, because it has hurt the airline companies so much (all the major corporations are declaring Chapter 11), ...so that's no fault of the Administration's (Democrat or Republican).
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How long can we hang our coats on September 11th? The event, while tragic, has been blamed for everything. The earlier tax cuts, since which America has lost 1.5 million jobs, is a big factor in the current economy. It didn't work. With a new tax cut looming on the horizon and evidence of the first one in hand, I find it hard to believe this is the all soothing balm which will finally heal the dreaded economy slump from September 11th. I'm sure a majority of those bankrupticies had nothing to do with bad bookkeeping or fudging of numbers.
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So don't try that card, not to mention the fact that for most of the Clinton years, the DJIA was at about the level it is now.
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Finally, the Dow Jones Industrial Average when it was handed to the current administration was over 11,700 points. Today it closed at nearly 8500 after a big rally yesterday and a fall of 185.58 points late today. Hardly comparable.