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Originally Posted by roachboy
nice way to avoid the problem, ranger.
it might help if you actually read the various accounts of the various memos that are at the heart of this particular round of contreversy about the war in iraq: there are in the neighborhood of 7--they make it pretty clear that bush was decided on war by july 2002. they are explicit about the administration and its actions in cooking up intel to justify their policy decision.
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Nice way to avoid the point of my post, roach. Memos schmemos. Like I said in my previous post, there is/was nothing illegal about the war in Iraq. That is crucial to the original question posed by host, thereby rendering his question null. Prove me wrong. It is good form when proposing a question to at least establish the basis on which it is formed. In this case, the question is based on pure bullshit.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
but i suspect that, if none of the mountain of other information that has been available all along that the case for war was empty, i doubt this will persuade you. not even the central memo, written by the chief of mi6. better to believe limbaugh i suppose on this kind of thing.
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In an attempt to not relive the several "is the Iraq war justified" threads, I'll simply refer you to the "search" function. And what does Limbaugh have to do with this topic? Troll.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
2. unless you have secret information that the rest of the world does not know about, i fail to see how anyone at this point could possible maintain that the wmd charges were true, that the connection to terrorism argument was true--that there was anything in the administrations case for war that was not false.
well, except that george w bush, wolfowitz et al, wanted saddam hussein out of power.
that part is obviously accurate.
that there was no legal basis for it is--for you--secondary. obviously.
but nothing else.
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No legal basis? Perhaps you should read the Congressional Joint Authorization for the Use of Military Force in Iraq. Maybe you already have, in either case, it's quite obvious that you are not an expert in law if you continue to maintain that the Iraq war is illegal.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
3. folk in politics who at one point supported this debacle seem to be locating their spines, which were dutifully checked at the door by noon on 9/11/2001. have a look:
so there is some pressure already starting within congress.
in itself, this story is not much--but it is well past time that this administration be held to account at some level for its actions.
so this is good to see.
i suspect things are only going to get worse for your boy george.
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First, George is not "my boy" any more than John F'in Kerry or Gorebot is "your boy". You need to dutifully check that shit at the door.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
4. but it wont go so far as impeachment.
that is simply not going to happen.
not as a matter of ethics or legality or the legitimacy of the case to be made against bush and his actions running up to this war.
impeachment is a matter of who runs the show in congress. the republicans tried to impeach bill clinton for a blowjob (blah blah blah, i know, dont bother to correct it), that is over more or less nothing.
now there really is something that could (and to my mind should) be acted upon--but we all know that republicans who control congress would not impeach george w bush. not even for this.
so much for accountability.
but hey, the right is not big on accountability.
they like to talk about it, they like the word, they like to try to to persuade others that they should be held accountable--but when it comes to one of their own, there is none.
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I recall a recent thread in which you called out a conservative poster for similar broadstroke comments. But hey, nice try. Bottom line, the war is not, was not, and never will be illegal.