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Old 06-12-2005, 08:06 AM   #41 (permalink)
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1. Space is a vacuum and in that vacuum there is matter and electromagnetic radiation and time dimensions etc. Our universe is in this "space". Space may be infinite, and it likely goes beyond our universe.
Not exactly. What many people call "space" is anything outside the atmosphere of the Earth, but in the terms of the universe it is an area in which things can exist. This space can be occupied by matter or other forms of energy, or it can be completely empty. Our universe is all the matter and energy that exist, and also all the empty space in which matter and energy can exist. We do not know if space is infinite or not because we have not found an edge, but it does seem to be getting larger. (I will talk about time later down.)

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2, Assuming you already know about matter and electromagnetic radiation: Time is a dimension that has properties. It can be bent like light and is affected by the gravity effect etc.
This is a good way to think of it in a general sense, but it is much more complex. Lets just say that the rate at which time passes is variable and relative to the observer.

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3.When all matter was together in a singular place (singularity) electromagnetic radiation and time were bent to the point that they all turned back in on the singularity. (who knows what the actual shape was... I prefer a ball for simplicity)
Try to imagine a point rather than a 3 dimensional object. A point has no length, width, or depth at all. Think of a map grid; point (32,57) is infinitely small.

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4. When point 3 was the case our universe was small, all atomic activity had stopped... the small singularity resided inside of an infinitely large vacuum we call space.
Negative on the last half of number 4; space itself was a single point. Length, width, and depth were meaningless because everything including the capacity to exist was all in the same place (all places were one). I cannot really comment about if atomic activity was stopped or not because pretty much all of our understanding of the universe today make no sense in that context.

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5. The Big bang occurred a billionth of a second later and ..kabloom....and the expanding universe began. Matter, radiation, etc started it's journey outward, into the vacuum. Because of it's speed , time was/is affected.
Matter and energy did extend out, but space extended as well. Suddenly things could exist apart from each other. This can also be considered to be the start of time.

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6. When scientists debate over the shape of space and time and our universe they are talking about the space-time dimensions of our universe. There is nothing to say that there are not other universes outside of our own, in space.
Scientists are talking about not only the matter and energy but also the capacity to exist that makes up our universe. There might be other universes "outside" our own but it would be a peculiar concept indeed.

I would like to make a simple analogy to better explain the concept of "space", as you seem to be thinking of it as merely a vacuum. Remember that a vacuum is "A space empty of matter".

Lets imagine a piece of paper, which for our example will be completely 2 dimensional (no thickness). On this paper we will draw a stick figure and let him explore the area. Soon enough he will come to an edge of the paper. Beyond the edge of the paper the capacity for drawn things to exist ceases. You are probably thinking of this piece of paper floating in the air somewhere or sitting on a table; you are still stuck thinking in a 3 dimensional context. Remember in our example I only defined the sheet of paper and outside the sheet of paper is truly nothing.

If you can begin to think in the terms of 2 dimensions then you can understand how hard it would be to add an unknown type of dimension to our 3D view. Scientists cannot disprove the possibility of other universes but they would be separated from us by an indescribable void and located in a manner which hurts my brain to think about.
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