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pan6467 · 06-11-2005, 03:06 PM

This is also when government or a truly neutral mediator should step in and mediate to save industries and workers jobs.

NO, this is not saying government should in anyway interfere with the company..... I am saying go to the union and management and say "look, offer concessions" and work to get company and employees on the same page to save the company, jobs, industry and the tax base.

If you don't do that, management (which from the past has rights to doubt union) will continue to cut slash and take jobs overseas, the union will continue (because of past exp.) to doubt management's try to truly live up to their side.

Every loss of big factories like GM means tax base shrinks and the burden is shifted to the rich. This is what Neo-cons refuse to see.

If you keep blaming the unions (while management continues to pack golden parachutes) for all the ills, and allow management to just walk away without having to make any concessions then you are as bad as you claim the unions to be.

When a factory leaves, who pays the local taxes? When those employees lose their higher end paying jobs and have to take severe pay cuts with no benefits, how do you expect them to pay their debts, let alone taxes and insurance???? Plus, the local economy suffers, those workers have less to spend so all the stores and shops suffer, so they have to lay off, pay less and perhaps close down, plus that tax base is gone.

You can't so you have a spiralling freefall, management still makes theirs because they have moved for cheaper labor..... yet, the workers fall into a lower class and are in severe debt.

As this continues the tax base is swung to the higher end to pay more and more and more.

Regardless of your belief, the fact is we desperatley need manufacturing jobs, because our economy is based on these jobs. Without manufacturing we are done.

If you lose tax base and cut everything esp. education, then in this world where technology IS the future, we are starting way behind or at the very least we fall farther down to dangerous levels.

The only hope is to keep any manufacturing we do have, use the tax base, spend everything we can into education and technology and move society that way. Thereby, giving society the time to make the adjustments.

If you just allow manufacturing to go and haven't prepared (which obviously we truly haven't) then the eventual reality is thata severe tax burden falls upon the rich and they eventually won't even be able to pay because the lower classes won't be able to buy the goods, pay hardly any taxes, nor pay healthcare. And when people can't buy even management can't get paid..... till eventually noone has anything.

You have to keep a balance and for a long time the balance was out of whack by the unions..... now the balance is out of whack by management..... we desperately need to find the middle and very fast because we are on a sinking ship and we're standing there telling everyone else what to do refusing to do anything ourselves..... so the water keeps rushing in and new holes open and everyone is pointing fingers.....

Time to stop pointing fingers and work together and save the ship......

06-11-2005, 03:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	This is also when government or a truly neutral mediator should step in and mediate to save industries and workers jobs. NO, this is not saying government should in anyway interfere with the company..... I am saying go to the union and management and say "look, offer concessions" and work to get company and employees on the same page to save the company, jobs, industry and the tax base. If you don't do that, management (which from the past has rights to doubt union) will continue to cut slash and take jobs overseas, the union will continue (because of past exp.) to doubt management's try to truly live up to their side. Every loss of big factories like GM means tax base shrinks and the burden is shifted to the rich. This is what Neo-cons refuse to see. If you keep blaming the unions (while management continues to pack golden parachutes) for all the ills, and allow management to just walk away without having to make any concessions then you are as bad as you claim the unions to be. When a factory leaves, who pays the local taxes? When those employees lose their higher end paying jobs and have to take severe pay cuts with no benefits, how do you expect them to pay their debts, let alone taxes and insurance???? Plus, the local economy suffers, those workers have less to spend so all the stores and shops suffer, so they have to lay off, pay less and perhaps close down, plus that tax base is gone. You can't so you have a spiralling freefall, management still makes theirs because they have moved for cheaper labor..... yet, the workers fall into a lower class and are in severe debt. As this continues the tax base is swung to the higher end to pay more and more and more. Regardless of your belief, the fact is we desperatley need manufacturing jobs, because our economy is based on these jobs. Without manufacturing we are done. If you lose tax base and cut everything esp. education, then in this world where technology IS the future, we are starting way behind or at the very least we fall farther down to dangerous levels. The only hope is to keep any manufacturing we do have, use the tax base, spend everything we can into education and technology and move society that way. Thereby, giving society the time to make the adjustments. If you just allow manufacturing to go and haven't prepared (which obviously we truly haven't) then the eventual reality is thata severe tax burden falls upon the rich and they eventually won't even be able to pay because the lower classes won't be able to buy the goods, pay hardly any taxes, nor pay healthcare. And when people can't buy even management can't get paid..... till eventually noone has anything. You have to keep a balance and for a long time the balance was out of whack by the unions..... now the balance is out of whack by management..... we desperately need to find the middle and very fast because we are on a sinking ship and we're standing there telling everyone else what to do refusing to do anything ourselves..... so the water keeps rushing in and new holes open and everyone is pointing fingers..... Time to stop pointing fingers and work together and save the ship...... __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"