pan6467

Ok.....

Look at the high cost of medical care and how it surpasses inflation as though the rest of price increases were at a stand still.

Someone has to pay for other countries universal healthcare to the healthcare and pharm. industries, so who does it? The USA, we're unregulated and we pay it... in one form or another.

Do we have better healthcare because of this? I don't believe we do, we still rate very high in infant mortality, and among other industrialized countries or life expectancy is not as high. If we had the so called best healthcare system, we'd be leading the world in those numbers instead of trailing behind.

As for people voting for where their tax money would go...... I firmly believe that was the whole idea of TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION. I firmly believe our founding fathers developed our great ELECTED representative government for the purpose of allowing the PEOPLE the right to determine where and how the money is spent. Thus if the majority voted for universal healthcare paid for by our taxes then it should be done. Again, I reiterate, my belief is that if put to a vote those favoring universal healthcare would win IMHO by at least a 2-1 (66-34%) margin. So to keep saying people don't deserve it and the country can't do it is BS.

The problem is government is not responsive to what the people want anymore.

As for being in left field with my statement, I personally see that government is unresponsive to the people and that is the statement I am making there. I see the above as my argument that I am being taxed without representation and the fact polls show a vast majority want universal healthcare, and government won't offer any solutions whatsoever, shows me we have taxation WITHOUT representing what the majority want. Again, it's my argument that our founding fathers wrote the Constitution for us to have taxation with representation.... and since we don't have it and the GOP are ok with the healthcare system now (as they offer NO alternatives, no solutions just keep allowing the industry to bankrupt us), then the GOP is showing big business is more important that the Constitution.

When companies are showing losses at a great rate because of healthcare and your attitude is cut the healthcare, then who pays for it? People are not making the money to pay for healthcare, especially as prices keep going up and wages go down. The rich are going to keep paying and paying and paying.

The difference in a universal healthcare or regulated is that everyone pays taxes into it. Therefore everyone pays.

I am sorry you feel the rich are entitled to keep all they have and fuck everyone else because they weren't lucky enough to be born wealthy or to find that great paying job, or to be able to afford college, or to be smart enough or to have that drive..... sorry, it's bullshit to believe everyone can make the riches on their own, especially with wages going downward. Some can but the vast majority can't.

MrSelf: as for this:

Yes, the US has become a very selfish, wasteful country and we value our toys (but we put no value on the worker). You take away what a person works hard for and believes he deserves for working so hard, he's not going to sit back idly and say "ok, I take personal responsibility and I overspent and it caught up to me. So I don't deserve healthcare or a car or cable or whatever." Nor will that loss drive him to work harder. It's a loss of self esteem (rightfully or wrong it is the way OUR society has been brought up.

I argue an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, to me your argument is work your ass off and I'll tell you what you are worth.

You cannot all of a sudden expect all of a sudden everyone to change. It has always been about keeping up with the Jones' in this country. Unfortunately because of healthcare and our allowing of big business raping us by making sure we believe "we need this product or that" , we will not easily let go of the notion we deserve (**notice I said DESERVE not are entitled to BIG difference IMHO, see below) these luxuries we worked hard for and the taxes we pay are to protect us and help us. People by nature will fight to keep what they believe they deserve and hence, revolt..... and that is my prediction.

Is that right? No, but our spending and lifestyle is our country's addiction. I see it everyday and "Tough love" very, very rarely works. But that is your GOP's only solution. Tough love helps only those who are ready to TRULY accept responsibility, which is about 2-5% of addicts. The rest, tough love does nothing but force the addict to withdraw deeper into the addiction, have feelings of resentment, anger, hatred and 9/10 times they strike back with a vengence. For society that would be a revolution as they would blame their losses on government.

In reality, IMHO the truth and the solution lies in the middle..... however when your side refuses to even offer anything.... then there is no starting ground is there?

**To me entitlement says we are guaranteed this and we have a right to this(and there are no guarantees in life), deserve means "I worked hard for this and I should be able to have some comfort for my hard work".

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