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Ustwo · 06-04-2005, 10:26 PM

From a self interest stand point, I see the EU as bad for the US, at least in the near term.

The EU allows Europe to take a united stand against the US (like with steel tarriffs) where if there was no EU it would need to be done country by country. Collectively the EU can get its way easier.

I also am not very comfortable with the EU supplanting NATO. Its apparent to me that one of the goals for some members of the EU is supercede NATO. This makes me uneasy as there may come a time in the not so distant future where a more united front against China or even Russia would be needed.

That being said I don't wish to see the EU totally fail. Europe has got to be the most bloody and fought over piece of land in the world which has seen very little peace. As unthinkable as it is to some people, you can't discount the possibility of there being another major European war. The EU could help prevent this by making such a conflict impossible, or at least uniting everyone against the future aggressor.

The problem of course is can nations and people who have been fighting over the same few 1000 square miles of land since before the Romans, ever really be united by a bureaucracy?

I'd like to think yes, but I don't see it happening.

06-04-2005, 10:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	From a self interest stand point, I see the EU as bad for the US, at least in the near term. The EU allows Europe to take a united stand against the US (like with steel tarriffs) where if there was no EU it would need to be done country by country. Collectively the EU can get its way easier. I also am not very comfortable with the EU supplanting NATO. Its apparent to me that one of the goals for some members of the EU is supercede NATO. This makes me uneasy as there may come a time in the not so distant future where a more united front against China or even Russia would be needed. That being said I don't wish to see the EU totally fail. Europe has got to be the most bloody and fought over piece of land in the world which has seen very little peace. As unthinkable as it is to some people, you can't discount the possibility of there being another major European war. The EU could help prevent this by making such a conflict impossible, or at least uniting everyone against the future aggressor. The problem of course is can nations and people who have been fighting over the same few 1000 square miles of land since before the Romans, ever really be united by a bureaucracy? I'd like to think yes, but I don't see it happening. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.