Pacifier

I don't think that this Thread wil last long, but:

First of all I think it is wrong to belive that this manual shows "what we're up against and what these people believe" (who are "these people" anyway?). It shows what AlKaida thinks, not all terrorists, especially in Iraq, are AlKaida. Additionally that manual describes only the views of the fundamentalists, not all muslims (if you meant that with "those people").

I said that numerous times already, the reason for the mess that the middle east is, is the how the whole west acts (IMO). That inculdes the British, who started a lot of the trouble, and the Americans who continue the same shit.

Funny, one second AI is a reliable source and the next second the are not to be taken seriously

But what are you trying to suggest?
That the torture never happend?
Or that the torture is not that bad because the terrorist excepted and planned to get tortured?

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