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Originally Posted by Ustwo
So Blairs motive for invading Iraq was pure while Bush's was based on popularity politics? Yet it was Blair who joined Bush on this?
So either Blair is an honest idiot who followed Bush (I know that thought is popular among some) to war.
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Sheesh... for an intelligent man, you really like the "let's put words into people's mouths" act.
First of all, I never said Bush only does what is popular.
YOU said, or at least implied that. I simply mentioned Rove, when I was
agreeing with you, that most politicans are more concerned with their image than unpopular policies. I mentioned three politicians who have taken unpopular positions because they believed in it; one from the UK, one from Australia and one from the US. Then you made a saltatious jump and asked if I was asking if GWB only did what was popular.
WTF?!
So let's get this clear.
YOU said it. Not me.
I simply made a passing, amusing comment about Karl Rove, in support of
your original statement, and you jumped all over it. It's kinda embarrassing actually, as it's a perfect example of how you will argue with your own position, trying to put words into people's mouths, just to make a point... erm.. that you... erm, kinda already made... but want to argue with.
Kinda whacky, eh?
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Perhaps Bush did what he thought was best as well and it just so happens the American people supported it.
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When did I say otherwise? In fact, I've gone on record as saying I believed Bush did what he thought was best, and
continues to do what he thinks is best. The fact that I don't agree with him doesn't mean anything. The fact that you are trying to put words into my mouth, and failing, also means nothing.
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Regardless of motive though there is one thing I really find amusing, and that people keep trying to find the 'strings' on GWB. First it was Cheney, then after the 'surprising (to the press)' interim elections in 2002 it became Rove, he is the evil genius!
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Find it as funny as you like. Behind the scenes "fixers" are always viewed with suspicion. Rove is the architect of Bush's success, as Mendelson was for Blair. That's the way it is in any democracy. People don't like unelected strategists "pulling the strings". It goes the the terroritory and is no different in the US than the UK or anywhere else I can think of.
It's nothing to do with your usual bugbears of bias in the "liberal media" etc etc. It's just people.
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One thing that people need to come to grips with, is like him or loathe him, its Bush who is in charge, and as long as his political opponents underestimate him, they will continue to loose to him.
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Erm... no they won't. He's gone for good in about three years.
Mr Mephisto