View Single Post
Old 05-31-2005, 12:10 AM   #54 (permalink)
abaya
 
abaya's Avatar
 
Location: Iceland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hektore
You can build a bridge and claim it the strongest bridge ever built, but if you never test it, you will never know. Relationships are tempered by temptation. For me, saying I'm not to go camping with her is to say you don't trust me.
Hektore, I agree with a lot of what you said in your post. However, I take issue with the stuff that I am quoting above...

#1, I do not think that a relationship is "tempered" by temptation... at least not in the sense that hey, our relationship isn't worth much since we haven't tempted it much, so let's throw ourselves in the fire and see what happens! I think that if temptation comes naturally, then people have to deal with it, but I don't know if it necessarily makes the relationship stronger to just go willingly into a situation that would tempt anyone with reproductive organs and hormones. Rather, the whole discussion w/ktspktsp last week about this topic was what made us stronger, simply because we learned how to communicate and consider each other's feelings more... NOT because we put ourselves in harm's way and said "let's see how strong this is."

#2, I never enforced my will upon ktspktsp. I realize that he has a choice in everything, and so do I. I did not say "Don't go camping." The important thing for me was not to control his behavior, but to communicate my feelings about his decision and leave it at that. Once I knew that we understood each other properly (which took a couple days of very honest communication), I felt that I definitely trusted his decision and would be fine with whatever direction it went. Trust is built by the willingness to listen and consider feelings, not a categorical laying-down-the-law or "I'll do whatever the hell I want, thanks." Neither ktspktsp nor I wanted the latter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kangaeru
They'll bring booze, maybe some weed...who knows what else. Man when I invite a girl to camping its because im VERY comfortable with her, and I want to get high, drunk, and fuck like a rabbit till the wee hours. Maybe they just want to have long talks over marshmellows, but from everything else you've said...for instance him liking her in the past, this girl having done questionable stuff to guys...it just doesn't add up to PG.
Now, kangaeru... I also agree with some of your points, but your reasoning is misinformed and I disagree with your first two sentences quoted above. You don't know ktspktsp, and you are reading your own behavior into what he, a total stranger, would do. It is not in his character to bring booze or weed, nor to want to fuck like rabbits (at least with anyone other than me) ... I trust ktspktsp's intentions entirely.

It is the "long talks over marshmallows" stuff that I was wary about, and the history, yes... because those things build an emotional bond (esp. in the absence of the significant other) that is quite subtle and sneaks up on you when such bonding is repeated over and over, with even the most innocent of intentions. This is how affairs generally happen... it's not random strangers, but best friends of the opposite sex getting too close to one spouse or another, because emotional and physical boundaries were not drawn early enough.

Thank you for your concern. But I just wanted to clarify that I had a different worry; that it was not running off with a bottle of whiskey and bag of pot to fuck in the woods. Ktspktsp is just not the type.
__________________
And think not you can direct the course of Love;
for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

--Khalil Gibran

Last edited by abaya; 05-31-2005 at 12:12 AM..
abaya is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360