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Originally Posted by adysav
OK, yes, moral relativity. The fact that you believe intolerance to be a bad thing is only dictated by your relative moral code.
So if I dont accept that other people have differing opinions on what is good and bad I could do something which might be good, or bad, depending on the morals of the observer.
On the other point, both theism and atheism are beliefs in an absolute. As we all know, only a Sith deals in absolutes...
But seriously, any true believer in science is a believer in finding the truth through observation of the world, and as such is agnostic by definition. Any outright atheists are as nutty as the religious people they detest so much.
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Well here we go again... You say that an atheist is a nut! I suggest that you are not able to satisfactorily define the atheism that you purport to be "nutty".
There are a number of levels on which you are terribly wrong.
1.That atheism is an absolute
Most atheists beleive in what they can see, touch and feel. Most Atheists beleive in the uniformity of physical and scientific Laws that govern the universe.
Let me explain this a little further:
We all live on a planet that orbits the sun. The same physical laws that govern this planet and this universe have allowed life to spring up on this rock. Modern scientific evidence (molecular) in support of the theory of evolution is stronger today than it ever has been.
Most atheists beleive we have evolved. There is nothing Nutty about this.
The main point here is this: It is simpler to explain evolution using physics and reproducible chemistry experimentation than it is to explain the idea of a God who suspends all physical laws in order to intervene in YOUR life from time to time.
Who's the Nut?
Could there be a GOD... of course!
Has anyone ever seen this God? I doubt it.
I'll beleive in this God you speak of when I see Her myself... I am the open minded one here. I am willing to beleive when I see the first shred of tangible evidence. Please Bring it on! .... I am still waiting
2.You see atheism as an entrenched (arms crossed with a frown on my face) position.
Atheism is Bloody Logical! It is truly open minded
So many people have been shackled by religious beleif and I fear that this will go on for millenia to come. (for instance the Pilots of the planes that wrecked the World Trade centre beleive they we going to have great treasures and many wives when they got to "heaven")
It is NOT fanatical to beleive in reproducable scientific experimentation that shows how life could have sprung up.
THE PROBLEM WITH AGNOSTICISM IS THAT IT IS WEASELY... "Well there could be a God.... But I'll never know" (weasel words)
I simply prefer to cut the bullsh*t and say I can't see any evidence yet.
If a God shows up I'll gladly measure the length of her nose to let you know if she is real.
until then ... she is just a figment of your imagination, an empty philosophy.
Be careful how you wear your shackels, they tend to bind and cut.