Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

That's exactly what I'm saying to a point.

The discussion is mired in so much information that for me to have an intelligent discussion on something then requires me to read for 60-90 minutes, digest and reflect on what I read to completely understand the whole for sometime, and then regurgitate it and defend it or else get deluged by yet more links and quotes. Find that I have even more reading to educate myself with and get even more deluged by more information as the thread continues.

It's hard to gain converts if you turn them all off at the beginning and don't even give them an opportunity to grasp a foundation of the platform.