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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
maybe people aren't willing to engage in discussions like this because what I have seen is just a DELUGE of links, quotes, screen scrolls to digest.
I tried to read through this, and between getting the back story of roachboys thread to yours... I got bored.
I read a number of posts where the discussion is as follows, "Well here's my evidence," post quote, post link, post quote, post link,"and further more" post quote, post link, post quote, post link, post quote, "and because of those I cannot see why you think the way that you do."
That's not a discussion, that's people talking and holding up books saying, "But it says in here..." IMHO no different than any other preachers albeit religious or governmental agenda pushers.
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How is that not a discussion? The problem with discussing things about the real world is that often the discussions have to refer directly to what is going on in said world. We can bullshit about the administrations foreign policy all night, but until somebody actually quotes the adminstration or a record of their actions we're pretty much jerking ourselves off. Maybe you'd prefer it if discussions went more like: Assertion, Request for evidence from opposing side, post quote, post link, post quote, post link, etc..., because that's the way it probably will go in any kind of substantive poiltical discussion, even then it's not much different than the discussions people seem incapable of having.
One problem with the politics board in general is that people seemingly lack the ability to spend any time formulating an opinion, instead choosing to pull everything out of their ass. When they actually are confronted with some kind of information they say, "Fuck that, that shit looks like it might take time to read and digest and interpret, i wonder what american idol is going to be like next year?"