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jorgelito · 05-19-2005, 10:38 PM

Hi Harry, thanks for your response.

I disagree and stand by my original statments. I think you completetly misunderstood my post or maybe just confused. You seem to think that my contention that Christianity had a big influence on humanity somehow takes away from other influences. I never said that; they are two different things.

Christianity most certainly had a hand in influencing art. Subject matter, commissions, patronage - the Church commissioned a ton of works with religious content. The Renaissance & Baroque periods are good examples. Those influences persist to the present day. Yes I know Classical art has a big influence too (just look at Washington DC).

Monks did make major contributions to knowledge and education (libraries, Gutenberg press etc, yes I know the Chinese had printing first). And of course Islamic scholars are tops in their field of math and astronomy (same with the Chinese for that matter). And Christianity did hold back alot as well (Galileo etc). Where's my personal bias that you accuse me of?

Christianity was most definitely a catalyst for war. Maybe not the only reason but still a big factor. The Crusades were about taking back the Holy Lands for Christianity. I'm sure there was greed, personal stuff, what have you as well. I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue about. The Gulf war remark was my attempt at a joke *sigh* (I need to work on it....) you know, cause G-Dub made that quip about Crusades..... *crickets*

Alot of the colonization was under the guise of spreading Christianity (yes I realize there was a lot of mercantilist, state expansion stuff too) but Christianity was big influence still. Look how powerful the Church is. They wield a ton of influence. Yes colonization was done for resources but simultaneously, there was a lot of conversions and spreading the faith. The church owned alot of plantations too (Hawaii, S. America etc.).

I will try to address your other concerns next week. But before I go, I will reiterate or try to clarify: I believe that Christianity was a big influence on humanity or human history whatever you want to call it, specifically in the past 2000 years. I never said it was better or worse or the only influence. But I think it played a major part in shaping our world.

05-19-2005, 10:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Hi Harry, thanks for your response. I disagree and stand by my original statments. I think you completetly misunderstood my post or maybe just confused. You seem to think that my contention that Christianity had a big influence on humanity somehow takes away from other influences. I never said that; they are two different things. Christianity most certainly had a hand in influencing art. Subject matter, commissions, patronage - the Church commissioned a ton of works with religious content. The Renaissance & Baroque periods are good examples. Those influences persist to the present day. Yes I know Classical art has a big influence too (just look at Washington DC). Monks did make major contributions to knowledge and education (libraries, Gutenberg press etc, yes I know the Chinese had printing first). And of course Islamic scholars are tops in their field of math and astronomy (same with the Chinese for that matter). And Christianity did hold back alot as well (Galileo etc). Where's my personal bias that you accuse me of? Christianity was most definitely a catalyst for war. Maybe not the only reason but still a big factor. The Crusades were about taking back the Holy Lands for Christianity. I'm sure there was greed, personal stuff, what have you as well. I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue about. The Gulf war remark was my attempt at a joke sigh (I need to work on it....) you know, cause G-Dub made that quip about Crusades..... crickets Alot of the colonization was under the guise of spreading Christianity (yes I realize there was a lot of mercantilist, state expansion stuff too) but Christianity was big influence still. Look how powerful the Church is. They wield a ton of influence. Yes colonization was done for resources but simultaneously, there was a lot of conversions and spreading the faith. The church owned alot of plantations too (Hawaii, S. America etc.). I will try to address your other concerns next week. But before I go, I will reiterate or try to clarify: I believe that Christianity was a big influence on humanity or human history whatever you want to call it, specifically in the past 2000 years. I never said it was better or worse or the only influence. But I think it played a major part in shaping our world.