Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community - View Single Post - Sorry, sir, we're here to take and kill your dog

lindseylatch · 05-18-2005, 02:20 PM

this law makes me sick and Mel, much as I love ya, you're comments make me a little sick as well. I see where you're coming from, but that still doesn't mean you're justified in assuming ALL rotties or pits are dangerous because of ONE incident.

If a rottie was allowed you jump into your backyard, then the owners were irresponsible. Just because three children are safe around a dog does not mean a stranger (you) would be safe as well. Many dogs won't attack children, but are perfectly willing to attack adults. And if the dog was raised around the children, then they're part of his "pack."

Now, on to the breeding/genetics aspect of pitbulls in particular. Yes, they were bred to fight...BULLS. They were also bred equally NOT to attack humans, to infact be loving to their owners. this friendliness towards people was held just as high as their physical ability, so you can't say they were breed to just kill. That's not true.
And psychotic is a bit strong, jwoody. they are not psychotic. They are doing what their owners train them to do, kill each other. The only ones we hear about are the dangerous ones (usually kept on a chain outside and never properly socialized with people and other dogs), we don't hear about the thousands more that live safe and happy lives as family dogs.

You people who are generalizing that all pitbulls or rotties or dobermans are "psychotic" are just plain wrong. They're doing what we've breed and trained them to do. That is all.

We have to take responsibility for what we've let these animals become. Licensing dog breeders and owners is definitely a start. We need to watch the PEOPLE who own the dangerous dogs, not the dogs who share genetics with them.
And if you had a pack of vicious pugs attack you, yeah, they could do as much damage as a pitbull.

And a single lab could do it EASY. I've been mauled by more labs (working at an animal shelter for the Portland, OR area) than pitbulls. I would rather walk into a kennel with a 100 lb pitbull I didn't know that an 80 lb male, unnuetered lab, thank you very much.

Another note. The Center for Disease Control did a study of all serious dog bites in the country over the past few decades, and found that breed was NOT a factor. Sex was a factor (with un-nuetered males biting the most) and whether the dogs was tied up (dogs tied up are more likely to bite, because they're defending their territory).
The reason we see so many pitbull attacks is 1) they're a VERY popular breed these days, and 2) a lot of dogs that aren't pitbulls are labeled that way initially, and by the time someone figures out what it really was, no one is paying attention.

Ban the deed, not the breed.

05-18-2005, 02:20 PM	#57 (permalink)
lindseylatch Addict Location: Seattle, WA	this law makes me sick and Mel, much as I love ya, you're comments make me a little sick as well. I see where you're coming from, but that still doesn't mean you're justified in assuming ALL rotties or pits are dangerous because of ONE incident. If a rottie was allowed you jump into your backyard, then the owners were irresponsible. Just because three children are safe around a dog does not mean a stranger (you) would be safe as well. Many dogs won't attack children, but are perfectly willing to attack adults. And if the dog was raised around the children, then they're part of his "pack." Now, on to the breeding/genetics aspect of pitbulls in particular. Yes, they were bred to fight...BULLS. They were also bred equally NOT to attack humans, to infact be loving to their owners. this friendliness towards people was held just as high as their physical ability, so you can't say they were breed to just kill. That's not true. And psychotic is a bit strong, jwoody. they are not psychotic. They are doing what their owners train them to do, kill each other. The only ones we hear about are the dangerous ones (usually kept on a chain outside and never properly socialized with people and other dogs), we don't hear about the thousands more that live safe and happy lives as family dogs. You people who are generalizing that all pitbulls or rotties or dobermans are "psychotic" are just plain wrong. They're doing what we've breed and trained them to do. That is all. We have to take responsibility for what we've let these animals become. Licensing dog breeders and owners is definitely a start. We need to watch the PEOPLE who own the dangerous dogs, not the dogs who share genetics with them. And if you had a pack of vicious pugs attack you, yeah, they could do as much damage as a pitbull. And a single lab could do it EASY. I've been mauled by more labs (working at an animal shelter for the Portland, OR area) than pitbulls. I would rather walk into a kennel with a 100 lb pitbull I didn't know that an 80 lb male, unnuetered lab, thank you very much. Another note. The Center for Disease Control did a study of all serious dog bites in the country over the past few decades, and found that breed was NOT a factor. Sex was a factor (with un-nuetered males biting the most) and whether the dogs was tied up (dogs tied up are more likely to bite, because they're defending their territory). The reason we see so many pitbull attacks is 1) they're a VERY popular breed these days, and 2) a lot of dogs that aren't pitbulls are labeled that way initially, and by the time someone figures out what it really was, no one is paying attention. Ban the deed, not the breed. __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." -Voltaire