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Old 05-12-2005, 12:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
Zeld2.0
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Location: Los Angeles
Roachboy isn't making it up, those quotes and things are indeed true

Seaver is right too - the Allies probably would've won had Russia fallen or not, but the cost and length of war would have been very very long and the idea of unconditional surrender may not have been fulfilled. And geography perhaps above all else is what pushed the U.S. ahead of the world.

We lost less than 10 civilians in the entire war. Our cities were left untouched. Our indsutry was rebuilt. The same can't be said for the old imperial powers Britain and France. Russia was devastated - it lost 27 million people (half the estiamted killed during WW2) and its cities were in ruins.

As for German soldiers... there is a pretty fine line between German soldiers and Nazi's, and in that case, war criminals. Van Braun was forced into the Nazi Party, built the V1 and V2 weapons, and yet he and his crew came to the U.S. and provided a great boost to our own space program and NASA (he designed the Saturn V and finally fulfilled his dream of bringing men to the Moon). Rommel was a general of Germany and yet he's not remembered as a Nazi and instead is respescted by everyone as a soldier who served his country and was forced to commit suicide by the leaders.

Many were forced to fight and others fought because they believed in their country and loved it to fight for it.
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