Lebell, I've read the guidelines and I am not sure if I crossed the line, but I am trying to tone it down and be as civil as possible, and if I have offended anyone I apologize, as that is not my intent.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
WOW... so many differing attacks thrown blindly into the night.
1) Because my friends are over there. They tell me constantly how glad MOST Iraqis are about us being there. They tell me how every single week at least one mother would tell them stories about how one day their child did not come home for innumeral different reasons. They tell me how Iraqis have pride once again in their country, and how they openly cried when casting their ballot.
2) The death of the Iraqis is extrememly unfortunate. But I'm willing to bet that the death of a few will prevent the death of many more. Look up the death tolls after the infandata.
3) Little evidence? Al Quaeda admitted it was them.
4) North Korea claims to have nuclear weapons, yet I have not seen, nor has anyone seen any evidence that they have one working. The seismic waves they cause are heard around the world, so it's no coverup. There has been one very large explosion but they did not have the double-wave of a nuclear (initial blast required to super-condense the nuclear material).
5) I think we should have immediately stopped the slaughters taken place in Africa. Both Bush and Clinton have the blood of millions on their hands because of that, and it makes me sick.
And please dont act like you care more about the troops than me. I have many friends over there, many of whom have been injured. Every single one of them fully supports this war because they see the truth in what is going on. While not all the troops like the war, there is always the full spectrum, I'm willing to trust them before any news journalist with an adjenda.
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We all have friends over there, and I am not questioning your patriotism or anything of that kind. It's blind faith to assume that we are automatically making things better for the Iraqi people, and I am not willing to make that assumption. I question it not because I doubt its veracity but because I am not prepared to make the mistake of blind devotion to corruption. Iraq is not Vietnam, but in any war people fight, and people die. No one should make the mistake of disrespecting the fallen with assumptions.
There are soldiers who do not support this war, and there are soldiers who do support it. I've listened to deserters, objectors, wounded, and rabid supporters in the military. There is no consensus. There are Iraqis who may in public deride the previous government, but I question the ability of a soldier wearing the uniform of the United States military to ascertain any kind of truth. I vote, but I question the difference my vote makes, or has ever made. It really does not matter.
I am trying to keep an open mind, as much as that has been mocked by as many people as it has, and to you it seems to matter whether I am a journalist, or a soldier, or a student of history, or a twelve year old boy with a military legacy. It doesn't matter if I am the Commander of West Point or the President of the United States, because it doesn't make the truth any more readily available to me. I am attempting to understand this mess, and that is all.
Your third point is Al Qaeda admits it was them. Why do you trust a terrorist organization to tell us the truth? (Sure, it sounds ridiculous, but just think) All I am saying is there is no proof either way that it was or it was not Al Qaeda. If there is any proof, the Government of the United States of America is not willing to tell us. A passport from the plane that crashed into the WTC North Tower, and two highly disputed phone calls that reputedly took place from the plane that crashed into a field in Pennsylavania. That is the proof. And it has absolutely no connection with Iraq. None.
Any death is unfortunate, whether in Somalia or Iraq. There seems to be less and less caring now. I do not think it is a far leap to say we are in Iraq because of 9/11, and I just wonder why the deaths of 3 030 people on 9/11/01 is more momentous, more important, and a reason for the deaths of Iraqis, or as of today, 1 676 American soldiers.
For posterity, that number is 20 000 'tagged and bagged' and reported from morgues (iraqbodycount.com) and is by any criteria, an underestimate. The Lancet study did a statistical analysis based on 998 houses and projected it to the population, and arrived at 100 000 Iraqi civilians dead.
visual aid:
http://www.infoshout.com/iraq%20death%20toll.htm
No one should sit down and say our dead take priority over their dead. We are all humans, and that is what I am afraid of forgetting in this madness.