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pan6467 · 05-10-2005, 12:12 AM

I love the way the press blames Malpractice lawsuits but fails to mention HMO's and healthcare providers determine how much THEY will pay the Doctor. My doctor charges $120 for an office visit, when we had insurance we paid the 20% deductable ($25) that would make one assume the insurance paid $95..... nope they paid $50 as agreed to by their contract with the physician. If he wasn't in the network then he would lose patients and probably go bust.... as it is he still takes a loss. Yet, it's malpractice driving him out.

However without insurance we would pay the full $120 and can no longer go to see him.

BUT if I were an ILLEGAL now I could get totally FREE healthcare paid for by the tax dollars of hard working citizens.....

Say what you will, but I don't see how the Government paying for ILLEGAL healthcare is ok but the rest of us are fucked with outrageous bills.

Yep those socialized med countries the UK and Canada are really having problems getting people to enroll in Med schools .... while we have great numbers here.....lol

Work force numbers
The number of medical students and residents is on the rise in Canada and the United Kingdom but dropping slightly in the United States.

First-year
allopathic students All residents
------------------- ---------------
U.K. 5,718 (+14%) 35,000 (+11%)
Canada 1,776 (+12%) 8,408 (+8%)
U.S. 16,790 (-2%) 97,383 (-1%)

Source: Assn. of American Medical Colleges. U.S. totals are for 1998, reflecting changes from 1993; U.K. and Canada totals are for 2000, reflecting change from 1997.

Link: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/200...6/prsb0416.htm

And yes, I blame the GOP but I also hold the DEMS accountable and to be honest i don't care which party does it but reform is needed.

As for the "they do the jobs that noone else will" bullshit doesn't fly with me. I lived in Phoenix, I know the ILLEGALS will work for less than legal wages AND that is how they get jobs.... go to Guadalupe and pick up an illegal to work for pennies on the dollar instead of paying someone minimum wage and letting them work their way up.

You want to say it's all our fault fine..... that gives these people the right to break the laws though????? That gives these people the right to work and not pay taxes while 25% of my paycheck disappears to pay for their medical care?????? That gives these people the right to free medical care??????

Don't like the laws then change them....ooo but if we changed immigration laws the illegals would not be illegal and have the same rights guaranteed them and therefore be paid legal wages.....

The problem is we are going backwards and not striving to better anything. People are so willing to blame and take away those things that were promised rather than find ways to keep the promises and move forward.

05-10-2005, 12:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I love the way the press blames Malpractice lawsuits but fails to mention HMO's and healthcare providers determine how much THEY will pay the Doctor. My doctor charges $120 for an office visit, when we had insurance we paid the 20% deductable ($25) that would make one assume the insurance paid $95..... nope they paid $50 as agreed to by their contract with the physician. If he wasn't in the network then he would lose patients and probably go bust.... as it is he still takes a loss. Yet, it's malpractice driving him out. However without insurance we would pay the full $120 and can no longer go to see him. BUT if I were an ILLEGAL now I could get totally FREE healthcare paid for by the tax dollars of hard working citizens..... Say what you will, but I don't see how the Government paying for ILLEGAL healthcare is ok but the rest of us are fucked with outrageous bills. Yep those socialized med countries the UK and Canada are really having problems getting people to enroll in Med schools .... while we have great numbers here.....lol Work force numbers The number of medical students and residents is on the rise in Canada and the United Kingdom but dropping slightly in the United States. First-year allopathic students All residents ------------------- --------------- U.K. 5,718 (+14%) 35,000 (+11%) Canada 1,776 (+12%) 8,408 (+8%) U.S. 16,790 (-2%) 97,383 (-1%) Source: Assn. of American Medical Colleges. U.S. totals are for 1998, reflecting changes from 1993; U.K. and Canada totals are for 2000, reflecting change from 1997. Link: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/200...6/prsb0416.htm And yes, I blame the GOP but I also hold the DEMS accountable and to be honest i don't care which party does it but reform is needed. As for the "they do the jobs that noone else will" bullshit doesn't fly with me. I lived in Phoenix, I know the ILLEGALS will work for less than legal wages AND that is how they get jobs.... go to Guadalupe and pick up an illegal to work for pennies on the dollar instead of paying someone minimum wage and letting them work their way up. You want to say it's all our fault fine..... that gives these people the right to break the laws though????? That gives these people the right to work and not pay taxes while 25% of my paycheck disappears to pay for their medical care?????? That gives these people the right to free medical care?????? Don't like the laws then change them....ooo but if we changed immigration laws the illegals would not be illegal and have the same rights guaranteed them and therefore be paid legal wages..... The problem is we are going backwards and not striving to better anything. People are so willing to blame and take away those things that were promised rather than find ways to keep the promises and move forward. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"