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Originally Posted by martinguerre
You aren't stating a personal displeasure. Complicity with the heteronormative culture is to accept what goes along with it. Suicide caused by fear and shame, politics of personal destruction, the breaking of families, leaving foster children without loving and waiting homes, allowing hospitals to deny vistation to lifelong partners, the list goes on and on.
When you use the vocabulary of virulant homophobia, i respond. For me. I don't belong to a gay mafia. Let me let you in on a secret. There isn't one. I'm queer, and i'm a person. That's it. So before you try to ascribe what i'm saying to some secret society, just can it and listen for one minute.
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Heteronormative? You have got to be putting on some sort of an act to come up with stuff like that. That is the single most ridiculous thing I've read on these boards in awhile. The rest of the post isn't even worth discussing.
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Originally Posted by hannukah harry
i think you need to change that a bit... it's not whether or not allensmithee can just up and choose to enjoy sex with a man. if he's ever had anal or recieved head, he could easily enjoy it. the issue is whether or not he could just up and choose to have romantic feelings for another man without any cognitive dissonance, etc.
<b>allensmithee</b>
it seems to me that sexual preferance isn't a choice. you call the animals seen engaging in homosexual activities as propoganda. i see it as observational evidence.
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What I meant was that in the book the author (who is gay) interprets many behaviors as being homosexual that might not be. He admits himself that because it's dealing with animal behavior, there is much interpretation involved. I am not questioning what he observed, merely his interpretation of it, since he did have an agenda.
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does that mean that every instance of homosexuality in humans is 100% biologic? nope. my guess is that there are some people who are hardwired to be homosexual, and others are 'programmed' to be (something happened to them while developing mentally to unconsciously turn them off to the opposite sex or leave them open to finding both sexes equally attractive - not programmed as many homophobic people think gays are trying to 'brainwash' kids into being gay).
think about people you've been romantically attracted to. why have you been attracted to them? a lot of the time people fall in love for no particular reason... the person they fall in love with has a 'je ne se qua' (possibly horribly misspelled) quality. is it that you find big tits attractive? or is it that all of the people you fall for happen to have big tits? your 'type' is based on your genes and your experiences as you were growing. for some men, their type happen to have dicks. it's not a conscious choice just like i'm sure you meet women you find yourself attracted to and you do it just by seeing them without knowing anything else about them...
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I don't care about attraction. People can be attracted to whoever they want, and I don't think that anyone cares. It's when people act on that attraction. And I personally don't even care if people act on their attractions, but when they want special rights based on their attraction is where I draw the line.
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Originally Posted by celophanediety
Alan and J8ear, I'm sure you've posted before on this somewhere, but why is it that you believe that homosexuality is wrong? What is your defence and or reasoning for your beliefs? You're of great interest to me, as I don't actually know anyone in person who shares your perspectives, and I'd like to know your reasons.
I don't think people should be outed. It's mean and bad experiences can lead someone to be even increasingly self-denying and ashamed. Coming out to someone often has a lot to do with trust and personal comfort, and it's cruel to make this decision for people.
I don't believe that sexual preference is a choice. In a world filled with so much hatred against homosexuals, why would anyone choose to become one? I'm lucky, and I've been able to explore my sexuality in a very accepting and embracing community, but why on earth would anyone choose to be gay? It seems that it would be much easier to be straight, in general.
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I personally don't care much about homosexuality, what happens between other people in their bedrooms. But I do care when people try to force their beliefs on me, which is what the gay mafia tries to do. They want everyone to accept sex between the same genders as not only normal but something to be celebrated, and anyone who thinks otherwise is attacked. And then they try to hijack marriage in order to get gov't support of their deviant lifestyle. And people aren't even supposed to blink.