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Originally Posted by martinguerre
What exactly are you doing?
If you find me despicable, it's only because of your own amorality and acceptance of repression. It's a defense mecanism to avoid actually having to confront these issues. You cannot debate on logical terms, so resort to closing your ears and slinging insults. Because I don't get to say that enough.
Who has burden of proof here is the only issue that make this whole circlejerk of a conversation keep running. You think that you have tradition at your back, and so do not question why your assumptions are right. The left thinks they have progress at their back...
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This whole section makes absolutely no sense, so I won't respond unless you'd like to clarify.
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And i'm left rolling my eyes as far back in to their sockets as they'll go. this isn't political football. this is about people's lives. and you don't seem to give a damn about that. i think that choice is immoral, and despicable.
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Hmm, hypocracy much? Did you even read what the topic was about, or just come out to defend the gay mafia? A Republican senator who was a "foe of gay rights" (whatever that's supposed to mean, nobody yet has seemed to be able to say what rights gays are being denied) was outed in a sting operation, which liberals HERE have said they supported. They are doing exactly what you are accusing others of: using one man's sexuality as a political football and not caring about his life. But because it's a republican who didn't buy into the gay agenda, you don't seem to see anything wrong with his personal life being used as a political tool. You seem to be admonishing the wrong side.
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you say you haven't been given a reason. everyone here knows that's not true. i've seen you ignore every posting that tries to point that out to you. so i say you're choosing to be willfully ignorant.
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Show me one posting i've ignored, otherwise your statement is false. The closest i've seen is filtherton's posts asking me when I chose to be hetero, and a link dealing with a book about how animals supposedly show gay behavior. Neither of these is even convincing, not to mention definitive. You are being willfully blinded by propaganda, and are refusing to see anything that doesn't fit into how you view the world.
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do i wish you made difference choices? sure. but i'm not holding my breath. you seem pretty convinced of your own amorality. 
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Again, have no idea what this is supposed to mean or its relevance but it seems that irrationality is one of your hallmarks so statements like that should be expected.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
Yes, and when exactly did you decide that you weren't going to be attracted to men? A simple answer will suffice. Was it when you were in adolescence? Young adult? Regardless of whether something is inborn or not, what i'm talking about is choice. I want you to tell me unequivocally that you can choose to be sexually aroused by men.
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Thinking back, it was probably in 3rd grade, 6 yrs old or so when I started having anything that could be described as attraction for women. And as for choosing to be attracted to men, I didn't even know it was possible until probably 6th or 7th grade.
And as for saying that I can unequivocally choose to be attracted to men, I can't say that at the time. But I also can't rule out the possibility in the future.
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Your analogy is not apt. I can't tell if the world is round just by looking out my window. I can, however, tell whether i am attracted to men or not by looking at a man.
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I'll concede this simply because it's not really necessary for the discussion at hand.
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As far as psychology goes, a lot of it is bullshit, but that's another discussion. Speaking of psychology, i would imagine that you believe that most mental patients choose to suffer from mental illness.
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Some mental disorders are from choice, or start as lesser disorders that are deliberately choosen (or at least behaving with the symptoms is choosen). But I seriously doubt that most mental patients choose mental illness.
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Above all, if you respond to this, please give me a rough estimate as to when you chose to be heterosexual, and then tell me all about how you can choose to be attracted to men.
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I covered most of this above, but i'll try for another example. As I've said before, I currently am not attracted to men, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility for the future. I also currently have no intrest in many fetishistic behaviors, but that doesn't mean that I won't like those in the future if I chose to try those either.