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Originally Posted by Kadath
I think this pretty well encapsulates the group that doesn't understand that something can have value other than material worth.
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Originally Posted by kutulu
And that is exactly what is wrong with things these days. People don't have to be able to make money off of it or even see it for it to have its own value.
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Hey, I'm not trying to make money off the birds. I just don't see how it benefits me to have the bird protected, in fact, I don't see how it benefits anybody.
Also, if you think the bird has some value other than economic, what kind of value is that? And why is that value important?
Even if we let the bird survive we're never going to give it free reign to do as it likes. The choice you're giving us seems to be:
a. Exterminate the species
b. Forever imprison it in federal land.
I'm not sure which is really worse for the bird as a species, to be eliminated through natural selection or to become a species perpetually frozen in time.
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Originally Posted by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
val·ue ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vly)
n.
1. An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return.
2. Monetary or material worth: the fluctuating value of gold and silver.
3. Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit: the value of an education.
4. A principle, standard, or quality considered worthwhile or desirable: “The speech was a summons back to the patrician values of restraint and responsibility” (Jonathan Alter).
5. Precise meaning or import, as of a word.
6. Mathematics. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity.
7. Music. The relative duration of a tone or rest.
8. The relative darkness or lightness of a color. See table at color.
9. Linguistics. The sound quality of a letter or diphthong.
10. One of a series of specified values: issued a stamp of new value.
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Maybe the definition of value you are using fits under #4 but I think that's stretching it. If you mean it is important for bio-diversity or some such thing then say so, don't try to obscure things by claiming it has value.