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Originally Posted by samcol
I don't buy that for a minute. The man is every bit as responsible for the child as the women is. You're the one who's not holding men to the high standard by saying they have no responsibility in the pregnancy or raising the child. You can't have it both ways, either they are responsible and have a say, or they do not. Maybe women should start looking for a man who wants to get married and raise a family instead of someone who's just looking for sex. I almost get the sense from your post that you hooked up with a dead beat and now have some kind of hatred for men period.
It takes two for the pregnancy to happen. Likewise, both parents have the duty to raise the child.
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I think what she's saying is that men aren't biologically forced to carry a child to term. When it comes to creating a child a man just has to point his semen in the right direction. I can potentially knock up a couple of women in a single day and even though i'd be douche bag in doing so, more scorn would probably be put upon any woman who aborted one of my zygotes than myself. The people who want to criminalize abortion could care less if men are behaving responsibly in terms of procreation. If they gave a shit about it you could bet they'd be trying to find a way to criminalize absentee fatherhood. They aren't, they don't.
Maybe women should start looking for men who want to get married and raise a family, but not all of them have been blessed, as you obviously have, with relationships that never fail with people who never misrepresent themselves or change their minds. I find your perspective wholly unrealistic. People have premarital sex. Despite how you come across, you've probably had premarital sex. Sometimes you can be in a committed relationship, get pregnant, and still end up a single parent. Finding a man who wants to get married and have children can also be the same thing as finding a man who for whatever reason is completely incapable of being anything that resembles a good father. Don't call me a man hater either, because i am a man, and even if i did hate them it'd be beside the point.