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Originally Posted by bingle
Hi! This is what I think I've been arguing against for the last few posts ;-) In fact, if you look at history, there is a long tradition of both religious and atheistic proof for or against the existence of God. YOU may believe that God requires no proof, and that in fact none can be given, but many people would disagree with you (including a number of saints).
Especially since we haven't been talking about empirical proof :-)
Bingle
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not sure if i follow you, but yes, God has no requirement to be validated through proof. That's neither here nor there for God. It's people who either want proof, and therefore lacking it remain agnostic, or do not want proof, and accept God, or No God on the basis of faith. My point is that to be an Atheist, you must act from the same basis as one who is a Theist.
We are talking about empirical or scientific proof. Those saints etc who follow the long tradition of proof are operating on the basis of faith. And ne'er the twain shall meet.