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Originally Posted by Janey
exactly. which is why faith transcends the requirements of proof. Empiricism, by it's very nature has to operate within the boundaries of the universe. Or to re-word it, within the boundaries of that which has been created. Agnostics are therefore bound by the same limitations. People who employ faith (those that both believe in God, and believe that there is no God) suspend the requirement of proof. Those who do not employ faith wait. Until such a point as they obtain proof, they remain 'not knowing' (agnostic).
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Hi! This is what I think I've been arguing against for the last few posts ;-) In fact, if you look at history, there is a long tradition of both religious and atheistic proof for or against the existence of God. YOU may believe that God requires no proof, and that in fact none can be given, but many people would disagree with you (including a number of saints).
Especially since we haven't been talking about empirical proof :-)
Bingle