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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I find this last paragraph LAUGHABLE to the highest degree, you are asserting that the DEMOCRATS are the ones riding with the will of the people?! I suppose this accounts for the two presidential elections, a majority of governers seats, and the fact that the republicans have actually picked up more seats in the congress in the last two elections. People are not "socially liberal" as you would assume or like, that's why sadly the righteous right has had such a successful movement. Most people don't like a lot of the "hardcore" shit some dems, the ones with the most clout it seems (Kennedy, Feinstein, Boxer), stand for and the direction they are moving. Look at Clinton, she is becoming more centerist, because it's the only viable way to win the presidency, if she ran on her true platform of convictions she would lose in a landslide election.
I'll admit that nothing lasts forever, and I more or less agree with your assesment of the pendulum, I just think you may be briefly over stating it's current position, I guess we will know fore sure come 2006.
And for the record, I don't blindly follow the GOP, do you blindly follow the DFL? I put my weight behind the party I feel better represents me and that can do so effectively.
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I think your using Mrs. Clinton as an example, pretty much proves my point of the Left changing with the times and becoming more centrist and therefore matching the beliefs of the majority of the US.
And yes, while you won the election, I can pretty much guarantee a Dem Governor in Ohio because Taft and Bush are destroying the party here.
I think by '06 the GOP will have shown how much power the Religious Right wields and the GOP may still hold offices but will be weakened and primed for losing in '08.
I truly believe the vast majority of people are far more socially liberal than the elections show. Again, I submit, the problem is the Dem. party is weak because of the penduulum swing and reforming to match the desires of the people. The GOP still uses the old "tax and spend label" to win, which as deficits increase and scandals come forward with the GOP it will show the truth. Another problem the Dems have is competing with the Rush's and the Right Winged banner carriers, however, they have hit their peaks and looking at numbers starting to lose their audience.
I also submit that the more the Religious Right whackos talk the more people will realize how much change is needed.
I just firmly believe the penduulum right now is primed to swing back, provided it is allowed to naturally follow it's due course. There are factors right now that could influence that, such as the strength of the Dem party, they have to find people appealing to the voters that can drive the voters out, the GOP shutting the Religious Right up, another 9/11 (which allowed the right to hold the penduulum that much longer).
I firmly believe the numbers showed had the Dems had a more potent and charismatic candidate they would have won, Kerry just didn't have it, but I think the leaders of the party can come up with a little something.
As far as Boxer, Feinstein and Kennedy being the leaders, they are elders and we may respect some of their ideology but, the Baraks (sp), Clintons (WHO WERE NOT AS LEFT AS THE GOP would have people believe....if anything they were too centrist and the Dems. at the time were willing to try to sacrifice them to hold onto their power.... it backfired), the Deans, and so on are becoming the voice.
How long do you think reports such as the biggest expense GM has is it's healthcare before reform is demanded and the Left has already claimed that issue. The Right has shown they are too much in that industry's corner.
What's the Right's solution? To destroy the pensions and retirement programs the boomers are going into and allowing healthcare industries free reign to keep rising costs? That issue will be HUGE in '06 and will hurt the GOP to no end.
But back to the threads purpose, you still have not given reason why with 7 of 9 Supreme Justices placed by true Goldwater Conservatives, you believe them to be too liberal, when less than 20 years ago some conservatives thought Thomas, Soutter and Kennedy were too conservative. Seems to me, the only one the Right truly still likes is Scalia and he is in the pocket of Cheney, and 30 years ago Stevens was supposed to be the perfect torch bearer for the GOP on the bench and now he is too liberal???????
Seems to me your party needs to look at what it's true values and platforms are. The penduulum is swinging back my friend.