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crumbbum · 05-18-2003, 04:14 PM

Look, I never said it wasn't poor judgement- that was what the Kahan commission found, and why he was forced to step down. That said, if it was so obvious, then someone else would have spoken up before it happened- as it happened, no one in the press, the US, the UN, or anyone ever pointed out the danger beforehand. He was indirectly responsible, as was found. This does not make him a war criminal. If he was a war criminal, then he would have been proven as such, as this incident has been exhaustively investigated.

Your rant about the oppression of the Palestinians is uncalled for. It cannot be compared to a massacre, as no one is trying to exterminate them. "Destroying homes, infrastructure, as well as enforcing harsh curfews which don't allow people to work or go to school" - first, there was never much infrastructure to begin with, and infrastructure is not targeted. The IDF does a huge amount humanitarian assistance in the territories that you never hear about.

Secondly, and this doesn't even deserve being argued, the "occupation" (it hasn't been once since 1993) is in self-defense- if Israel's civilians weren't constantly being targeted, shot and blown up then Israel would have no need to militarily control Palestinian areas. To argue this point is ludicrous- the Israelis don't want to be in there, but are given no chance, since the well armed security forces of the Palestinian Authority have still not taken any action to prevent terror attacks against innocent Israelis. You tell me that I am paying selective attention, but you don't seem to be particularly outraged about bus bombings, rocket attacks on schoolbuses where children get their legs blown off, shootings, murders of women and children, targeted, the sniping of babies- these are things that have all happened.

Your interest in this is clearly not humanitarian, and you have allied yourself with some of the most deplorable and sick murderers the world has ever known. I am through with this conversation. If you are actually interested in learning a bit before continuing your ranting, read the thread about the Peace plan and the settlements. I have nothing left to say here.

05-18-2003, 04:14 PM	#51 (permalink)
crumbbum Crazy Location: CT,NYC,NJ(have been all over)	Look, I never said it wasn't poor judgement- that was what the Kahan commission found, and why he was forced to step down. That said, if it was so obvious, then someone else would have spoken up before it happened- as it happened, no one in the press, the US, the UN, or anyone ever pointed out the danger beforehand. He was indirectly responsible, as was found. This does not make him a war criminal. If he was a war criminal, then he would have been proven as such, as this incident has been exhaustively investigated. Your rant about the oppression of the Palestinians is uncalled for. It cannot be compared to a massacre, as no one is trying to exterminate them. "Destroying homes, infrastructure, as well as enforcing harsh curfews which don't allow people to work or go to school" - first, there was never much infrastructure to begin with, and infrastructure is not targeted. The IDF does a huge amount humanitarian assistance in the territories that you never hear about. Secondly, and this doesn't even deserve being argued, the "occupation" (it hasn't been once since 1993) is in self-defense- if Israel's civilians weren't constantly being targeted, shot and blown up then Israel would have no need to militarily control Palestinian areas. To argue this point is ludicrous- the Israelis don't want to be in there, but are given no chance, since the well armed security forces of the Palestinian Authority have still not taken any action to prevent terror attacks against innocent Israelis. You tell me that I am paying selective attention, but you don't seem to be particularly outraged about bus bombings, rocket attacks on schoolbuses where children get their legs blown off, shootings, murders of women and children, targeted, the sniping of babies- these are things that have all happened. Your interest in this is clearly not humanitarian, and you have allied yourself with some of the most deplorable and sick murderers the world has ever known. I am through with this conversation. If you are actually interested in learning a bit before continuing your ranting, read the thread about the Peace plan and the settlements. I have nothing left to say here. __________________ Truth is peace. We are all souls in bodies.