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Old 04-28-2005, 01:48 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
If they have a relationship with Jesus Christ, then they think about religion. I would assume them to be Christian. My point is that there are people who self-identify as Christian who don't even do that much. It takes some act outise of saying you are Christian to truly be one, even if that is simply accepting Christ at some point in your life. And honestly I would assume they wouldn't pray, or if they did it would be a generic prayer.
Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that most christians don't actually think about christ, or is it just a hunch? For your point to be relevant you would not only have to show some evidence that there are many people who self identify as christians who don't think about christ at all, you would also have to show that somewhere close to a majority of these people make up the body of christianity in the country. Even with that impossible task ahead of you, i still feel that it is a little far fetched to claim that people who self identify as members of a certain religion would work for the destruction of that religion. Why would someone who considers themselves a member of a religion, whether committed or not, allow or facilitate the destruction of that religion?

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OK, so next time someone in sports calls someone a fag and GLAAD gets angered, I'll remember it's just because homosexuals aren't well adjusted and that they should just take it in stride because it doesn't mean they're under attack.
No, it doesn't mean that they're under attack. The fact that there is a constitutional amendment in the works to exclude them from various commonplace day to day activities is evidence that they are under attack. Notice that this kind of attack is something the constitution must be changed for, unlike the standard "attack" on christianity that is the result of the constitution is being conformed to.

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I'm not simply talking of satire or jokes. I'm talking of the widespread ability for people to whitewash all religious people as ignorant, stupid, illogical, etc. without being challenged. I don't criticize Robertson as a Christian who doesn't think he's pious enough, I criticize him because he's a hypocrite.
There are a great many people who are ignorant, stupid, illogical, etc. A great many of these people also happen to be christian. A great many of these people also happen to be ignorant, stupid, illogical, etc, whilst proclaiming their piety from the rooftops. Again, do you have evidence to the "widespreadedness" of such things? I don't remember the last time i saw a joke at the expense of christianity on t.v.. Occasionally i do hear some random person making an ass out of themselves lumping all religious people into the same category, but it seems obvious to me, as it should to anyone with any kind of information on the matter, that the people who make such comments are just as ignorant as the people they believe they are ridiculing.

You can't criticize pat robertson for his hypocrisy without criticizing him for his piety. In his particular brand of christianity such things are encouraged. Pat robertson is a good christian, as far as him and most of his followers are concerned. Though maybe you'd lump him into that "christian who doesn't think about christ" category of yours.

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Christians face the same, if not more attacks, than homosexuals simply because the attacks on Christians are more accepted. There was in the last year 2 Christian camp councellors who were murdered supposedly because of their beliefs. And in Pennsylvania a year or 2 ago a woman was fired for wearing a cross in class. And those are just off the top of my head. As to when an amendment will be passed outlawing the practice of Christanity, it might not be far off.
First off, are you serious? Do you honestly believe that an amendment outlawing christianity might not be far off? Are you aware of the religious leanings of nearly every american politician? I'm sorry, buddy, but that's tin hat territory.

Firing someone because of their religious affiliation is illegal. In many places it is completely legal to fire someone because they are gay. What does that tell you about the level of protections afforded christians not afforded homosexuals? As for violence against christians, anecdotal evidence that "supposedly" indicates antichristian bias doesn't cut it. Name me a place in america where being openly christian can result in getting your ass kicked. I don't have enough space to name all the places in this country where being openly gay can result in getting your ass kicked. I know "outside" is one of them.

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Imagine the uproar if gays were told they can be gay, just don't mention it in politics and don't vote on any gay issues. And you also have to not act gay in public. And if you are at school, no mention of being gay at all. But these sorts of things happen to Christians all the time. The people who want these things done to Christians are bigots, and nothing but.
Imagine? That's the status quo. The first state republican senator ever to come out of the closet in minnesota just came out of the closet. The next day the republican leadership in minnesota decided to begin grooming someone else to challenge him for his seat in the coming election. I try to hear the uproar, all i hear is crickets.

I don't know where you went to school, but where i went to school, having the misfortune of being labeled as gay meant your days were filled with torment and overt threats. Funny thing is, everyone just assumed everyone else was a christian.

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I don't think that's the whole reason, but definitely a part of the reason. But again, I don't think it's necessarily good to mix religion with pop culture. I would just like to see less of an anti-Christian tone.
If you want to see less of an anti-christian tone, all you have to do is stop looking for it. People often only notice what they expect they're going to notice.
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