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Originally Posted by Supple Cow
First of all, that dig was totally unnecessary. Second of all, it's not even true. I'm a woman. Did you read any of my posts in this thread?
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No, it was totally necessary. There is a lot of weighty estrogen being tossed around in here, and OF COURSE it doesn't necessarily apply to EVERY female in this thread. Obviously if your posts were what they were, then it doesn't very well apply to you, does it?
To answer your question, yes, I have read every post in this thread, as I read every post in EVERY thread I post in, unlike many people who don't even properly read the FIRST post (i'm not talking about you, so relax), even if it means drudging through multiple pages.
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Originally Posted by kutulu
It's so hard to take this seriously but at the same time this thread makes me ashamed to be a man. All I can see are other men here bitching about what is fair or not. I thought we were men. A real man doesn't hide from responsibility. Get over yourselves and realize that there are differences. Women are not there for our control.
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You
do realize, of course, that the entire idea of "being a
man" and "accepting responsibility" is a totally sexist comment, right? It's about as close to total inequality as one can get. You want to talk about responsibility? Unless the woman was
raped, "responsibility" is a fifty/fifty split down the middle.
And I have to add, as a person who dislikes children in general and will never have any-
It is thoroughly
hilarious to me that all parents will argue
to their death what a wonderful blessing/experience/unparalleled joy, and what a special thing it is to have a child and blah blah blah... but when it comes down to talking about other people and whose "responsibility" a possibly (though perhaps not mutually agreed upon) unwanted pregnancy is, and suddenly it's the dirtiest little act, reduced to simple penis & vagina hump talk. Some people are sooooooooo quick to reduce or inflate the significance of an event that's exactly identical to another's experience, simply because it happened to them. Many of you have taken what you consider wonderful and boiled it down to filthy lust just because it wasn't planned- lest we forget that many parents have had unplanned children and are insatiably happy with their decision to keep the child. In all sincerity, bravo for them.
As you've all so wonderfully elaborated in this thread, sex is sex, and having a baby REALLY IS just a sperm shaking hands with an egg. No more. Just because i'm pro-choice and dislike children, doesn't mean I want everyone to abort every unwanted child like it were a form of alternative birth control.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
After the child is born, I would also agree that - as the natural relationship is between mother and child - the mother should have a automatic right to custody - unless unfit to care for the child. This is not about placing people in abusive situations, but if there are two fit parents, the mother always takes priority, because she is better able to care for the child than a man.
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I'm not sure why you quoted my entire (lengthy) post... it doesn't seem to be relevant to what you've posted...
However, with all due respect, I am
very curious how you consider what you've said here to not only be correct, but not
incredibly sexist? Are you trying to insist that a father is not a "natural relationship" to a child? Are you trying to insinuate that a man cannot rear a child properly without a woman, or that he could never do as "good" a job as a woman? Lastly- are you, in fact, totally unaware of how completely one-sided, disrespectfully and illogically anti-male and unequal your comments just were?
Equality. How can anyone claim anything besides equality is "unfair"?
INequality is "unfair", but men have been dealing with that since this topic first came to bear.