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Originally Posted by maleficent
The man is the one who is claiming he doesn't want children. His responsibility to prevent them. Why should he trust someone else when it comes to the next 18 years of his life?
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Originally Posted by shakran
The woman is the one claiming she DOES want children. Her responsibility to provide for them. Why should she rely on someone else to pay for them for 18 years?
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This made me laugh until my sides hurt and i wanted to abort my funny bone.
See, abortion
can be funny. Next up, cancer.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
in my opinion, a man has no moral, and is entitled to no legal, rights in regard to abortion whatsoever. No one in my opinion has the right to control or claim rights over another persons body.
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Read the opening post. It has nothing to do with being able to physically cause an abortion, only the removal of responsibility.
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Originally Posted by Lin
No it isnt that simple. She doesnt always have a bail out. For religious or moral grounds she may be stuck with the pregnancy.
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I am a religious person, but that's bullshit. If she's got agendas or is hindered by an internal decision struggle, that's her fuckin' beef. She
HAS the ability to opt-out. This whole argument is about what people CHOOSE to do, and that includes factoring in their personal bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
Im pretty sure it takes a man, who is fully aware of what he is doing, to make a baby too
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Boo fucking hoo. I wonder what the founders of N.O.W. (National Organization of Women) would have said if they knew their pioneering spirit and hard work towards gender equality would actually have resulted in...
equality?
Equality is 50/50. The same. The current ability for a women to opt-out, but not a man, directly contradicts all notions of equality. That is wrong. All the women in this thread need to stop their tubes from getting in a knot over the honesty of some of the males in here. You have the total, unwavering advantage. 100%. If you can say "no thanks" to a baby, then men should be able to as well. Men do not create babies, nor do women- it requires both together, and so should the laws reflect that fact.
My uncle spent years in the courtroom spending God knows how much money on lawyers, trying to get and keep the rights to his son, my cousin. Mother's rights FAR outweigh a father's. That bitch was an alcoholic, multiple alcohol-related offences, used hard drugs, also multiple offences including cocaine and LSD, AND... AND... AND... child endangerment, neglect, abuse. Also, she has never held a job. Ever.
Yeah. She'd leave him home alone, at one to two years of age, all day or all night, and leave out a bag of chips for food. My uncle was away when this happened. She locked him in a closet once for 3 days. No food, nothing. She just left him. She went and partied in atlantic city for a long weekend. He almost died.
Despite all this, he STILL had to fight to get custody, and then had to fight to lower her ability to see him. She used my cousin as leverage to get money from my uncle for child support on the kid HE was raising! And he had to fight to get THAT overturned.
As it stands, men's rights don't begin at conception- they never have any, at all, ever. Women can do whatever they please and the laws will protect their stupid asses, even should they be drug-using, alcoholic, child-neglecting, -abandoning, -abusing whores. There is no equality.