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Old 04-19-2005, 04:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by RAGEAngel9
How about the fact that in many ways JP2 was liberal?
He was for helping the poor.
He was against racial discrimination. <- (I think this bugged and confused a number of people)
He was adamantly against war and violence for any reason.
He was very well educated (j/k )

Politcally, he balanced out between his left and right ideas.
Obviously, he was very conservative by a basic definition.
It's not that difficult to see why people could hope that the church would realize other modern ideas (i.e gay not evil, women priest)

I don't ever expect the Church's stance on abortion to change.

One thing I've always missed: What is the Catholic Church's opposition to invitro-fertilization.

One last point, I would have to say people on the right follow the teachings of Christ about as pourly as those on the left. It's just a matter of which things each side considers the bigger sin.

Very true. Ive maintained that while JP2 may have done things I really disagreed with (no women in any sort of major role in the church, gays, CONDOMS), he really did quite a bit of good, and other than issues that you would expect the Catholic church to have to be very conservative on, he was quite politically liberal.

Although I still *strongly* disagree with those points I just raised. Especially condoms, given that AIDS in Africa has killed more than all of WW2, and the Church refuses to concede that condoms would be a good thing to prevent its spread.
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