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Yakk · 04-18-2005, 09:51 AM

I'm asking for clarifications.

Apparently I can reliably use deadly force on the opponent with certainty, and they can't stop me from killing them.

1> Can I project the threat of deadly force to the mugger?
2> Can the mugger pre-empt my deadly force threat with a first strike?
3> Is the mugger using a threat of deadly force against me?
4> Can the mugger execute their threat of deadly force against me?

If the answers are true, false, true, false (as in that rich-man case seemingly), I believe I would threaten deadly force, and then follow through if the threat is ignored.

If the answer is true, true, true, true (you have a gun trained on him, but he doesn't know it, and he has a gun trained on you), then I believe I would strike first.

If the answer is false, true, false, irrelivent, I want to know how this man is going to take my possessions without even the threat of deadly force? However, in this strange case, they are welcome to my paultry possessions.

If the answer is false, false, false, irrelivent, I would threaten deadly force and follow through if required.

One final question: how in the hell do you know the consequences? Even in the rich-man case, the difference between being beaten and being killed is a fine line.

I place importance with an honestly stated threat: I will play the position game. Instead of accepting the game (kill mugger or give mugger stuff) that the mugger is placing on me, I will give the mugger a game with my own set rules (go away or die). It changes the rules from being about how I value life, to being how the mugger values his own life.

04-18-2005, 09:51 AM	#53 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	I'm asking for clarifications. Apparently I can reliably use deadly force on the opponent with certainty, and they can't stop me from killing them. 1> Can I project the threat of deadly force to the mugger? 2> Can the mugger pre-empt my deadly force threat with a first strike? 3> Is the mugger using a threat of deadly force against me? 4> Can the mugger execute their threat of deadly force against me? If the answers are true, false, true, false (as in that rich-man case seemingly), I believe I would threaten deadly force, and then follow through if the threat is ignored. If the answer is true, true, true, true (you have a gun trained on him, but he doesn't know it, and he has a gun trained on you), then I believe I would strike first. If the answer is false, true, false, irrelivent, I want to know how this man is going to take my possessions without even the threat of deadly force? However, in this strange case, they are welcome to my paultry possessions. If the answer is false, false, false, irrelivent, I would threaten deadly force and follow through if required. One final question: how in the hell do you know the consequences? Even in the rich-man case, the difference between being beaten and being killed is a fine line. I place importance with an honestly stated threat: I will play the position game. Instead of accepting the game (kill mugger or give mugger stuff) that the mugger is placing on me, I will give the mugger a game with my own set rules (go away or die). It changes the rules from being about how I value life, to being how the mugger values his own life. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.