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Originally Posted by martinguerre
If you don't agree with the way things are....why wouldn't you want to set a standard that changed what was happening?
If the cultural norms are wrong...then call them wrong and confront them. That this assailent was part of a culture that tolerates homophobic violence, then that means i want to confront the assailent, the assailants actions, and the assailant's culture.
There's no excuse under the law for "it's what we do."
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I didn't say don't change it, but the major tone of the thread up to this point was that this was a clear cut case a bullying and sexual assault with some kid being victimized intensely and that the offender should server the maximum penalty under the harshest law. I'm saying that this isn't the best way to solve it because it is very possible that that isn't the way it happened. Simple horseplay that can get carried away at times, by all means change it. No it isn't right. No it shouldn't stay the same.
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"I thought he was my buddy; we were just messing around," Schippert said.
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Really it's this statement right here. I can totally imagine this happening in my locker room, back at my high school and it would end up being virtually the same case. With everyone being totally caught off guard and saying "Sorry, we really didn't think this would bother you." It says in the article that the older boy was a recipient of the same kind of treatment and I'd bet that this type of thing happened more than once between these two. I was just trying to make the point that I don't think this is really sexual assault but a simple case of horseplay going a bit too far.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
i think a lot of this stuff can be contextual
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This is the point I was trying to make, there is not simply a 'one rule solves all these problems' but that stuff like this really needs to be taken on a case by case basis. I think that it is easy to get the wrong impression and jump to extreme conclusions in a case like this.