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FYI, I got a response and somebody is now working on getting me the information. So in effect the point of this thread is now moot.
In response to jorgelito's post, what I did was to get a car buying report from fightingchance.com, which includes the actual dealer invoice price. Obviously dealer invoice is *not* what they paid for the car, so the report also includes a number of reports as to what people around the country have been paying for the came car. For the '05 TL, the best deal was $500 under invoice with many paying at or marginally over invoice. I imagine anything around invoice is going to be the lowest price I can get.
But like I said before, the price of the car is only half of the deal. The financing and "extras" are what are going to set the bids apart.
Astrocloud, interesting to hear from somebody that's actually been out there doing it. I figure if none of the bids I get back are suitable enough for me, I'll resort to actually walking onto a lot and dealing with a salesman. Negotiation has never been my strong suit though, so if nothing else having more information at my disposal can't be a bad thing.
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