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The_Dunedan · 04-10-2005, 06:06 AM

Manx,
keepandbeararms.com doesn't exactly make this stuff up, you know. They're a "news clearinghouse" site; every day ( except Sundays ) they have a huge collection ( 100+ links, on most days ) worth of gun-rights related news, collected from "mainstream" media around the world. They aren't pulling this stuff out of their arseholes, much as you'd obviously like to think they were. Unlike the drek spewed by the likes of The Brady Bunch or the VPC, all of their information is heavily sourced and easily verifiable; not to mention not being outright lies such as those that Victim Disarmament groups like to use.

As for your "emotionally based" slam, you haven't exactly got any room to complain. Your entire arguement has been based upon "I don't see it, so it doesn't happen." This is the same rationale as that of a child who thinks that covering his eyes makes whatever-it-is that frightens him disappear; "If I can't see it, it's not there." You asked for examples; they were provided. Your response was "Not the right examples." and "Not enough examples." Instead of actually addressing the points that have been made, you hace decided to evade them and attack either their sources or to simply insist, in spite of the evidence, that "there is no problem." This is called "Denial."

As for "Avoidance," as you put it; every instructor I've ever met teaches their students to avoid conflict if possible. They tell you not to goto obviously sketchy places, don't confront belligerant people, etc etc; IOW, not to go looking for trouble. However, if trouble finds you, which it sadly does in our world, I fail to see any reason why anyone should be required to retreat, thereby placing themselves at a tactical disadvantage. I, after all, am not a sociopathic predator; the jackass trying to divest me of my wallet is, or he wouldn't be robbing me. I fail to see why I, or any other honest person, should be required to accomodate any such creature by running away. Such is the attitude of a coward, a person lacking in both dignity and moral fortitude.

04-10-2005, 06:06 AM	#97 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Manx, keepandbeararms.com doesn't exactly make this stuff up, you know. They're a "news clearinghouse" site; every day ( except Sundays ) they have a huge collection ( 100+ links, on most days ) worth of gun-rights related news, collected from "mainstream" media around the world. They aren't pulling this stuff out of their arseholes, much as you'd obviously like to think they were. Unlike the drek spewed by the likes of The Brady Bunch or the VPC, all of their information is heavily sourced and easily verifiable; not to mention not being outright lies such as those that Victim Disarmament groups like to use. As for your "emotionally based" slam, you haven't exactly got any room to complain. Your entire arguement has been based upon "I don't see it, so it doesn't happen." This is the same rationale as that of a child who thinks that covering his eyes makes whatever-it-is that frightens him disappear; "If I can't see it, it's not there." You asked for examples; they were provided. Your response was "Not the right examples." and "Not enough examples." Instead of actually addressing the points that have been made, you hace decided to evade them and attack either their sources or to simply insist, in spite of the evidence, that "there is no problem." This is called "Denial." As for "Avoidance," as you put it; every instructor I've ever met teaches their students to avoid conflict if possible. They tell you not to goto obviously sketchy places, don't confront belligerant people, etc etc; IOW, not to go looking for trouble. However, if trouble finds you, which it sadly does in our world, I fail to see any reason why anyone should be required to retreat, thereby placing themselves at a tactical disadvantage. I, after all, am not a sociopathic predator; the jackass trying to divest me of my wallet is, or he wouldn't be robbing me. I fail to see why I, or any other honest person, should be required to accomodate any such creature by running away. Such is the attitude of a coward, a person lacking in both dignity and moral fortitude.