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Originally Posted by scout
I don't understand how anyone can use the terms progressive and fair in the same sentence. The only fair tax system would be for every man woman and child to pay the exact same amount no matter how much you made. The poor already get back much more then they pay in the form of free medical [medicare and medicaid], free housing, food stamps, government grants for schooling etc., then at the end of the year and they file their taxes they our current system sends them back thousands upon thousands of dollars [much more then they even paid to begin with] for filing head of household and being poor. There is nothing fair about the current system. Absolutely nothing. Anyone who thinks progressive taxes are fair has their head up their collective arses. I get robbed every single week through out the course of the year and at the end of the year it costs me $300 dollars to get a tax consultant to find out I have to pay another $1200. And before you all get your panties in a bunch me and my wife only made $72000 together [no where near "the rich level"] last year and I have them take out an extra $20 a week on top of what they already rob me of weekly. I have had them take out the extra for three years because we had to pay the previous 4 years before this one, and each year I have them take more. After I found out we have to pay again this year I upped it to $25. This is crap. Don't get me started on fricken taxes ....... it chaps my buns ........ grrrrrrrrr. Do I feel I'm over taxed.... you bet yer sweet cheeks I do. I feel we are solid middle class and I feel we are getting raped by our illustrous government and the darn Democrats. Just the other day one of our elected officials had a "town hall meeting" where he met with locals and some lady, obviously one of the poor nutjobs on welfare, had the gall to stand up and state she felt she wasn't being over taxed. People are nuts..... absolutely fricken nuts. Yup I'm a little pissed right now about this whole taxation process and I ain't havin' an easy time paying more than I already have ......... but hey thanks for letting me vent...
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you have a warped notion of taxation.
Taxation isn't and shouldn't be based on one's income. Taxation should be based on use.
When you walk into a store and purchase a commodity, you pay a percentage of your consumption.
When you own property, you pay a tax on it, as well. Presumably to entice you to produce from the land.
Your yearly tax intended to pay for the government programs you've utilized all year long--that should be based off your use as well.
Where you get the idea that taxation should be based off one's income, and that the only fair tax is to have everyone pay an equivalent percentage of their income is off kilter--and is only because the only income taxation scheme you've been exposed to is equally off-kilter.
But you already admitted you were off kilter. If you think the democrats are overtaxing you, that's another bizarre assertion of yours. The republicans are trying to reduce taxes, but not YOUR taxes. You better run the number frontways, backways, and sideways...three times...before committing to any plan they set forth. The past few years should have already indicated something wasn't right to you.
Here's a simplified version of how I see the situation:
No rich person, regardless of party, wants some uppity middle-class person busting into their ranks and accessing the power they hold among themselves. No one is going to help you get where they are, or reduce the amount of money you pay them. To think otherwise is just plain naive.