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You haven't been listening to me but that's cool. And I have not chosen to attack you except to say don't shove your guilt down my throat and expect me to help you try to change things.
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Try to change what? All this thread is about is raising awarness of a less common part of history.
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I admitted there is need for change but to hold the past up and continue to use it to spread hate and anger which is what you do is not the way to get things changed.
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Spread hate? I don't hate CC. Do you hate CC? I don't want people to hate CC. I want people to understand him, good and bad together. This thread is to show the less popular bad side.
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Not to mention you pick and choose which evils you want to bring out. Don't hear you yelping about Genghis Khan or the Mayans and Incas or the African tribes that sold the white men their prisoners as slaves, or on and on and on. You choose to focus solely on the European ancestory and it's bullshit.
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This thread isn't about Genghis Kahn or the Mayans. We are centering on the acts of ONE MAN, not all of Europe. Don't try to change the subject.
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My ancestors were not saints but they were no worse or better than any other civilization out there.
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Of course not. Are you a direct blood decendant of CC? If not, you can't play the ancestor card.
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So go preach your hate and cries and anger to people you can sell it to because I'm not buying it.
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My father is a pastor, he preaches. We are in a community of discussion, we discuss.
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How is saying "I look for the positive and work to change the mistakes made in the past" rhetoric?
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This thread isn't about the positive. This thread is specifically about the negative. If you feel the need to balance the universe, go start a positive CC thread.
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Looking at just the evils and demanding and crying and spreading hate, anger divisiveness, is rhetoric because you are not being constructive or realistic.
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So it's not realistic to say Christopher Columbus hurt people? Looking at the evils is out of the ordinary as far as CC. What most people know of CC is what they learned in grammer school, WHICH IS ONE SIDED. All you learn in grammar school is that Columbus discovered America. Yay Columbus! Let's give him a holiday! Then the pilgrams (people who wore buckels and loved God) came and ate corn, or maze, with the indians and everything was smiles and lollypops. In order to balance this - balance obviously being something that is clearly important to you - we want to make people aware that CC also was very bad. This is constructive because you cannot fully understand a historical figure like CC unless you know the whole story. This is the otehr half of the story.
This thread is about the ATROCITIES of CC. This is not the thread about CC in general, or the thread about CC balancing good with bad. This is strictly about the bad. This thread exists for the purpous of discussing the bad of CC.