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Old 04-03-2005, 12:21 PM   #30 (permalink)
pan6467
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So we should just all pay for the sins of our forebearers and not move on?

The world whether we argee politically and philosophically or not is a far better and more civilized place today than it was say 100 years ago or even 50 years ago.

Granted we are not perfect but we are in better shape as a planet. we are growing and we are learning and we do make mistakes and we do fall backward in some cases BUT we are striving forward in many ways.

To only focus on the negatives of the past and expect some magician to all of a sudden set everything right is detrimental and will never allow us progress.

IF you wallow in self pity and hatred of the past and demand immediate changes from society, you only turn those that wanted to help away, and those that stay are usually in it just for the power and greed.

You want things changed you don't keep rehashing the past.... you stand up and say we need to learn from the mistakes and not judge what others did in a time we were not alive in and have no idea how the people were educated to believe, react or what truly happened.

It's very easy to play armchair QB on a Monday or Tuesday and proclaim, "that this was wrong and this should have been done and blah blah blah and since it wasn't that way well we hold in disgrace and total disgust all that was done by these peoples."

In all honesty what does that achieve but trying to make YOU feel better and trying to score points with those who blame 100, 200, 300 years ago on their failures to advance. Are you changing anything? NO, you just condemn and offer solutions that cannot possibly happen.

What do you want? For all peoples of European ancestory to leave the Western Hemisphere? For every white man to beg forgiveness for slavery? What is your purpose? Am I supposed to walk around with my head down and be appologetic for my ancestors? I see nothing positive or noble in demanding the sons pay for the sins of the fathers when the sons are moving forward and trying to make the world better.

This is one of the most serious problems that is destroying the Democratic party. A minority wants to play holier than thou and point out every little thing in history that we did wrong. They offer no solutions, but they expect everyone else to feel bad and appologize and cry and give into the most ridiculous of demands.

Use your energies for positive change not trying to live on the past and expect everyone to see your way.

You say the culture still exports violence and poverty.... yes but where are your solutions that work .... all I see are fingers being pointed and refusals to see any of the true positive changes that have been made.

I never said to discount the Holocaust, I said we can learn from it, in positive ways. We can't condemn every German for it.

You make no sense to me.... which feeds your egos so you can believe you are enlightened.... but with enligthenment comes working solutions and I don't see you offering any, just hatreds and prejudices and angers over the past.

Move on and make the world better today and tomorrow.
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