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pan6467 · 03-31-2005, 01:22 PM

The way I see it, much the way the GOP laughed about how McAuliffe and his goons held hostage my party, the same goes with Rove and his henchmen. I truly believe in 2008, that if you are a GOP'er and believe you have say who your VP will be you are fooling yourself (much the way us Dems fooled ourselves in 2000 and 2004 under McAuliffe).

Rove doesn't want to lose his power, nor will the Religious Right and high powered rich. They will pull out everything they can to hand pick Bush's successor and destroy any potential candidate that may change their power structure.

So as I see it the GOP is in just as bad a shape as the Dems. Both parties have pandered and sold themselves to survive. The party of Barry Goldwater and Eisenhower no longer exists, much the same as the party of JFK and LBJ ceased to exist with Clinton.

What has happened on the GOP's side is they go into the class fight and realized their policies favored the rich (which we can and do argue in other posts, but here it is my opinion... and may not be fact). In order to get votes they had to sell themselves as the "moral and religious party" and thereby allowing the likes of Falwell and Robertson to have too much say. Gone is the progressive conservatism of Goldwater and welcome the social confines and morality of Falwell and Robertson.

The Dems. did the same thing in the early 90's. We sold ourselves to every minority, and played every race, ethnicity and class card we had. In return we became whiners with no bite and the right used our mess against us.

I think within the next few years as the pendulum swings we'll see the left get stronger and stronger and the right weaker. And then the pendulum will swing back.

But this great experiment with getting the religious right to support your party will become a casualty and show itself to be a dreadful and harmful cost to American politics and freedoms.

03-31-2005, 01:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	The way I see it, much the way the GOP laughed about how McAuliffe and his goons held hostage my party, the same goes with Rove and his henchmen. I truly believe in 2008, that if you are a GOP'er and believe you have say who your VP will be you are fooling yourself (much the way us Dems fooled ourselves in 2000 and 2004 under McAuliffe). Rove doesn't want to lose his power, nor will the Religious Right and high powered rich. They will pull out everything they can to hand pick Bush's successor and destroy any potential candidate that may change their power structure. So as I see it the GOP is in just as bad a shape as the Dems. Both parties have pandered and sold themselves to survive. The party of Barry Goldwater and Eisenhower no longer exists, much the same as the party of JFK and LBJ ceased to exist with Clinton. What has happened on the GOP's side is they go into the class fight and realized their policies favored the rich (which we can and do argue in other posts, but here it is my opinion... and may not be fact). In order to get votes they had to sell themselves as the "moral and religious party" and thereby allowing the likes of Falwell and Robertson to have too much say. Gone is the progressive conservatism of Goldwater and welcome the social confines and morality of Falwell and Robertson. The Dems. did the same thing in the early 90's. We sold ourselves to every minority, and played every race, ethnicity and class card we had. In return we became whiners with no bite and the right used our mess against us. I think within the next few years as the pendulum swings we'll see the left get stronger and stronger and the right weaker. And then the pendulum will swing back. But this great experiment with getting the religious right to support your party will become a casualty and show itself to be a dreadful and harmful cost to American politics and freedoms. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 03-31-2005 at 01:25 PM..