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Strange Famous · 03-30-2005, 10:12 PM

I dont really see what this has to do with a dialectic, I also would hardly describe university's being left wing as a paradigm shift.

However, I will say that this shift in political outlook will not be reversed... conservative vs liberal is merely a debate of conscience; but the key debate which is already developing is that of communist against capitalist - in university campuses this is the real debate we are seeing; when people campaign against the current order - EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY SEEK TO ONLY REFORM IT, they real desire is to overturn it. The desire and compulsion to replace capitalist relations of production is not fully expressed - the media and education system very powerfully attacks the working class with capitalist propoganda... when someone campaigns for gay mariage, for AA, for extended reproductive rights, for children to be free from religious indoctrination in schools - EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT AWARE - they are campaigning for a system of economy and government that allows ALL of these conditions to be improved and for a true democtratic life.

Whether they name themselves now or not, these colleges are full of people who are now realising communism is the only way forward for society.

To present this as a mere battle of idea's, where the young will always swing counter to the "authoritry" position - then become the next generation who is the authority - which is what ART seems to be arguing is not correct. Communism is not simply an idea which will win out because of its moral and human superiority - it is an intrinsic and unstoppable movement of history, it is an economic necessity that the forces of production are moved in this way. College's, workplaces, message boards - all of these places and all other public places will becoming more and more "liberal", they will become more and more communist - the capitalist point of view may exist individuals, but these viewpoints will be made obsolete - they will no longer exist when the conditions that presently support them are not existing.

03-30-2005, 10:12 PM	#36 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I dont really see what this has to do with a dialectic, I also would hardly describe university's being left wing as a paradigm shift. However, I will say that this shift in political outlook will not be reversed... conservative vs liberal is merely a debate of conscience; but the key debate which is already developing is that of communist against capitalist - in university campuses this is the real debate we are seeing; when people campaign against the current order - EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY SEEK TO ONLY REFORM IT, they real desire is to overturn it. The desire and compulsion to replace capitalist relations of production is not fully expressed - the media and education system very powerfully attacks the working class with capitalist propoganda... when someone campaigns for gay mariage, for AA, for extended reproductive rights, for children to be free from religious indoctrination in schools - EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT AWARE - they are campaigning for a system of economy and government that allows ALL of these conditions to be improved and for a true democtratic life. Whether they name themselves now or not, these colleges are full of people who are now realising communism is the only way forward for society. To present this as a mere battle of idea's, where the young will always swing counter to the "authoritry" position - then become the next generation who is the authority - which is what ART seems to be arguing is not correct. Communism is not simply an idea which will win out because of its moral and human superiority - it is an intrinsic and unstoppable movement of history, it is an economic necessity that the forces of production are moved in this way. College's, workplaces, message boards - all of these places and all other public places will becoming more and more "liberal", they will become more and more communist - the capitalist point of view may exist individuals, but these viewpoints will be made obsolete - they will no longer exist when the conditions that presently support them are not existing. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas