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Old 03-30-2005, 10:07 PM   #81 (permalink)
daswig
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
yes, but America has 10,000 gun deaths a year and the UK has 100-200, you know?
How many non-gun homicides occur in the US and England each year? if guns are the reason the US has so many gun deaths, then we should have a comparable rate of non-gun homicieds to England, right? But we don't. Americans kill more people than English people do. Guns, no guns, the tool doesn't matter. It's the intent of the person that is what's important.

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As for using guns against the government if they become corrupt... I dont think we live in the same world as the one in which that idea existed. You cannot defend yourself against the power of the state with a rifle or a hand gun.
Really? Tell that to the Viet Minh, Viet Cong, et cetera.

Rebels rarely win guerilla wars. Governments often lose them.

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Does anyone have any idea how arming teachers would actually be implemented? What kind of standards would be set up for allowing teachers to use the firearms?
Simple. Use the standard self-defense test. Ability, opportunity, and jeopardy. Treat teachers the same as everybody else if they are involved with a shooting.

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Banning the guns in America is not going to stop their production outside of our borders, and it is also not going to stop the already occuring illegal traffic of those guns into this country, on the contrary it's going to make it much more lucrative and profitable.
Absolutely correct. It's illegal to grow opium poppies world-wide for the most part. Same with cultivating coca. How hard is it to find heroin or cocaine? Prohibition creates far more problems than it solves.

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There is absolutely no logic to arming teachers, or airline pilots, or 7-11 clerks. Being trained in the proper use of a gun is not the same as being trained in the proper methods of protection. It only takes one criminal with a knife to hold someone hostage to demand the gun in the teachers desk to put a gun in the hands of a criminal.
Yup, just like it isn't logical to give cops guns. Firearms are indisputably the BEST means of self-defense out there. Even KELLERMANN admits this. This is backed up by figures released by the US DOJ in 1994, which showed that of all people attacked, people who resisted with guns were the least likely BY FAR to not be injured. I don't know many people who would give up their gun to a knife-wielding attacker. I sure as shit wouldn't, since they're dangerous enough to all parties involved with a knife, so why make them more dangerous?
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