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Old 03-29-2005, 10:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I Am a Liberal, But I Am Amoral ??? Compared to What?

One of our own members here at TFP Politics, posted his opinion that liberals are "amoral". I believe that one thing that liberals have in common, is an inability to consistantly view issues as either black or white; right or wrong. When I delve into the details of issues such as "a woman's right to choose", or the permissibility of same sex marriage, I develop strong opinions for the argument that these are issues to be left to the decision of the people involved, preferrably in private. I am of the same mind when it comes to family members determining when to start or stop artificial methods of life support.

I want accountable, transparent, secular government. I do not subscribe to a mindset, that on many issues, stresses an overriding need to stop abuse of laws or benefits, to the point of entirely eliminating or making it much more difficult to obtain the benefit or relief,

Two examples are the passage of the "bankrutpcy reform" bill that uses the excuse for the need to stop the probable 20 percent, at most, who might be
abusing the chapter 7 debt relief provision in the current law, to pass a "reform" that makes it extremely difficult for the 80 percent of legitimate filers
to qualify for debt relief, many of whom are financially insolvent due to illness.

And.....the opinion that all welfare recipients should submit to mandatory drug and substance abuse testing because a small, stereotypical minority are perceived to buy drugs or alcohol with the proceeds of their benefits.
Too often, I see opinions that are simplistic solutions to complex problems. The solutions are commonly more control, more requirements, less privacy, and proposals that put a greater burden on the least of us, usually in return for less protections and benefits than the abiding majority already enjoy.

I would be more inclined to see the point of an emphasis on stopping the abuse of bankruptcy filing and accepting welfare relief, if I saw a similar outcry and political effort aimed at the corporate criminals who bilk society of vastly greater sums of money, with so little consequence. Where are the proposals to test CEO's of public companies for substance abuse ? Why is the only meaningful results of criminal investigation and prosecution of corporate crime and stock fraud coming from the attorney general's office in one state?

In short, the reaction by those of the opposite view is a focus on targetting those sterotypical abusers of the status quo at the expense of the large majority who obey the rules and genuinely qualify. The Reagan era stereotype of the cadillac driving, "welfare queen" has been replaced by the drug addict on welfare, trading his food stamps for a bag of his drug of choice.

Now......I'm labelled as an "amoral liberal". I'll consider wearing it proudly, if
you'll answer the question, "amoral liberal".....as opposed to what ?

Opposed to this ?:
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<a href="http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/vmcdonald_20050328.html">http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/vmcdonald_20050328.html</a>
March 28, 2005

The Wages of Moral Relativism

Vance McDonald

America is now a nation ruled by the amoral and fallible will of men. They are called lawyers. The warning has been coming for decades. The current case involving the litigated and legally mandated death sentence of Terri Schiavo has now confirmed our current fate. This should be no surprise.

For at least fifty years we have been indoctrinated with the specious argument that a traditional, rational and common moral code of conduct is bourgeois and unsophisticated. This journey of cultural madness has culminated in massive societal confusion regarding whether right and wrong behavior even exists. This is unless a particular concept is in social vogue as being fashionably acceptable. In which case, principles of right and wrong suddenly spring into legitimacy, i.e., the popular notion of moral goodness of the choice to abort nascent human life. The doctrine of moral relativism now rules.

The fruits of this insanity have now created an ethical vacuum within America that has allowed “the law” to become the de facto cultural moral compass. And, of course, there must be those high priests in black robes who will interpret and define how “the law” will be applied to each of us – as they see it. They are the new arbitrary and indisputable judges subjecting each of us to “the law” according to their individual amoral position. And this wholly subjective and upside down wielding of power is supposedly for the benefit of society. They profess in their sanctimonious intellectual superiority that they, the wondrous oracles in suits with degrees from pristine humanist temples of academia, will show us the way.

The case of Terri Schiavo has borne all of this social psychosis out. The fully indoctrinated moral relativist lawyers are now firmly ensconced. Because “the law” is now the ultimate dictate, the lawyers are now the equivalent of the Inquisitors. The American people and their representatives are now subject to rule by the great black robes. Their hubris is complete and dripping.

If moral common sense versus moral relativism was the foundation of the legal search for justice in the Schiavo case, the vacant husband’s conflict of interest and hearsay testimony would be abandoned and Terri Schiavo’s fate be handed to her loving parents. At the least, a new trial would be ordered post-haste. After all, this is a capital matter.

But the religious fervor accorded the dogma of moral relativism within the legal profession has now rendered impossible the objective and ostensible mission of lawyers and judges to administer justice in a rational, fair and timely manner in this case. Indeed, the automaton lawyers are so mired in their own sterile machinations and legal processes that by the time anyone reads this piece Terri may very well be dead.

Where will it end? Will “the law” eventually allow general hearsay testimony to mandate mercy killing en masse – for the good of society? The cultural sickness of moral relativism has transformed lawyers into the devil’s advocates. America’s citizens are both enablers and victims.

The Schiavo matter is one more warning. Worshipping an amoral perception of social conduct has throughout history allowed “the law” to lead the way to tyranny. From the emperors of Imperial Rome, to the religious dictatorship following Rome’s demise, to the subsequent monarchies of Europe, to the terror of the French Revolution, to the mass crimes against humanity of V.I. Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Tojo, Mao, Castro, Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and on and on, the sanctity of “the law” without the guiding influence of moral common sense has always been the direct conduit to despotism.

Lacking the guidance of that still small voice of moral clarity, the principles and devotees of “the law” cannot rationally support “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. Our current societal path of amoral cultural conscience will eventually lead to total enslavement by the dictator barristers of the bar. They will be enabled to mandate at will the final solution of how and when we live and die.

This cannot stand. The concept and acceptance of individual and societal moral relativism must be consigned to the toilet of history. Let this be the legacy of Terri Schiavo.

Vance McDonald is a social and political commentator living in Austin, TX.
I wonder if Vance McDonald got as worked up about the 5 SCOTUS Judges
unsigned opinion in Gore v. Bush..........

Or this ???
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<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/politics/29donate.html?">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/politics/29donate.html?</a>
List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and JOHN SCHWARTZ

Published: March 29, 2005

WASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

"These compassionate pro-lifers donated toward Bob Schindler's legal battle to keep Terri's estranged husband from removing the feeding tube from Terri," says a description of the list on the Web site of the firm, Response Unlimited, which is asking $150 a month for 6,000 names and $500 a month for 4,000 e-mail addresses of people who responded last month to an e-mail plea from Ms. Schiavo's father. "These individuals are passionate about the way they value human life, adamantly oppose euthanasia and are pro-life in every sense of the word!"

Privacy experts said the sale of the list was legal and even predictable, if ghoulish............

.........................Executives of Response Unlimited declined to comment. Gary McCullough, director of the Christian Communication Network and a spokesman for Ms. Schiavo's parents, confirmed that Mr. Schindler had agreed to let Response Unlimited rent out the list as part of a deal for the firm to send an e-mail solicitation raising money on the family's behalf.

The Schindlers have waged a lengthy legal battle against their son-in-law Michael Schiavo to prevent the removal of the feeding tube from their daughter, who doctors say is in a persistent vegetative state.

Mr. McCullough said he was present when Mr. Schindler agreed to the arrangement in a conversation with Phil Sheldon, the co-founder of a conservative online marketing organization, RightMarch.com, who acted as a broker for Response Unlimited.

"So the Schindlers do know the details," Mr. McCullough said on Monday. How much attention they paid to the matter is hard to assess, he added. "The Schindlers right now know that their daughter is starving to death, and if I ask about anything else, they say, 'I don't want to hear about it.' "..........

................."This time, we have a real chance to break through the 'roadblocks' that the enemies of life have been putting up in front of us," said a mass e-mailing from RightMarch.com, asking supporters to urge Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene somehow.

The message added: "We're asking you to give a donation to help with our activism efforts to save Terri's life. Battles cost money; resources cost money; media costs money; we could go on, but you get the picture."

Mr. Sheldon - whose father, the Rev. Lou Sheldon, founder of the Traditional Values Coalition, has also sent appeals urging support for Ms. Schiavo - apparently played a dual role as a partner in RightMarch.com, which is working with the anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, and as a broker for Response Unlimited. Mr. Sheldon did not respond to phone calls yesterday.

"I think it sounds a little unusual right now because of the situation where she is in the process of dying," said Richard Viguerie, another major conservative direct-mail operator. "If you came across this information six months or a year from now, I don't think you would give it too much thought."
Or these items from the RightMarch website homepage?
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<a href="http://rightmarch.com/">http://rightmarch.com/</a>
Welcome to RightMarch.com
Leading the Virtual March from the Right

Save Terri Schiavo From Starvation!
They're about to starve a disabled woman to death in Florida. Out-of-control judges and greedy lawyers are set to remove the feeding tube from Terri Schindler-Schiavo this week. She's not brain dead, nor in a coma, nor on any life support system; she is simply severely handicapped. She laughs and cries and tries to talk with her parents. And the judges and lawyers want to kill her. WE MUST STOP THEM NOW. You can help by taking action below.
CLICK HERE to read more...
CLICK HERE to see us in action in Tallahassee...
CLICK HERE to help pay for our efforts and our nationwide ad to save Terri...
CLICK HERE to view the video "I Want To Live"...

.........Boy Scouts Under Attack: Help Defend Them!
Remember when the radical leftists at the American Civil Liberties Union took their case against the Boy Scouts all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, to try to force them to accept homosexual scoutmasters? Remember watching as one by one, the ACLU got cities and companies to withdraw their support for the Boy Scouts because of their insistence on their members holding a belief in God? Once again, the Boy Scouts are under ATTACK by the ACLU -- and this time, it looks like the ACLU is going to WIN... unless WE do something to stop them!
CLICK HERE to read more...
Or opposed to this ??
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<a href="http://www.focusonyourchild.com/hottopics/A0001284.cfm">http://www.focusonyourchild.com/hottopics/A0001284.cfm</a>

# How Parents Can Prevent Homosexuality
Is homosexuality learned, biological or both? The answer to this question deeply concerns parents. Many would have us believe that nothing can be done to foster the development of healthy heterosexual orientation in children. Dr. Nicolosi indicates otherwise.
Is it that simple ??? Amoral liberals, bad. ACLU, bad. Boy Scouts' policy of excluding homosexually oriented scoutmasters, good. Or is what I so often perceive to be hypocrisy, class warfare and religious, racial, or sexual orientation/lifestyle intolerance, actually more sincere and constructive than it seems to be ?

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