Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community - View Single Post

pan6467 · 03-29-2005, 09:44 AM

I presume nothing. The fact of the matter is wages are going down,the tax base is being depleted by outsourcing, lower wages and tax cuts to the most wealthy, while our great supreme handpicked by God, Himself, leader runs higher and higher deficits spending more on militray and less on social programs and education.

To make up for the loss in tax cuts and the rise in state deficits the states are raising sales taxes, and "sin" taxes. These taxes affect the middle and lower classes far more than income taxes affect the rich, to say otherwise is foolhardy and blind.

When I call to order a phone with the utmost basic service and out of the 14.95 I pay, 10 of it is taxes, something is seriously wrong. That 10 doesn't mean jack to the extremely wealthy but someone living from paycheck to paycheck that 10 means a lot.

When you buy gas and .44 cents/gallon is tax, it doesn't affect the extremely wealthy, but again the middle and lower classes that are trying to make it are absorbing it and losing the battle of trying to save.

To sit there and say the rich pay far too many taxes when the hidden taxes and sales taxes hurt the middle classes and poor far more than a raise in the upper echelons income taxes would hurt them, there is a serious problem.

Part of the advancement of the human race is based on the fact that those who have more share, we don't see that today. In essence the way the debt is and the way greed and selfishness has risen, we are headed backward not forward and we are developing into a 2 class society.

Perhaps, it came with the super fast moving technology, or perhaps greed is the result of the baby-boomer generation that has been spoon fed by the press to believe they were/are the greatest generation, they had great oppurtunities and they found that money and toys are far more valuable than family and helping maintain a nice community with great schools and decent jobs.

The future at the rate we are going is not going to be pretty, if we do not change the way we think, the way we do business and the way we spread our wealth, we will as a nation perish into totalitarianism and lose what we do have.

I say totalitarianism because government is run by people's wallets and when the tough times come people will seek the person and party they believe have the answers and in reality it could lead to very bad things.

Ask 1930's Germany, one of Hitler's greatest selling points that got him into power was the fact he was able to put people to work, lift them out of the massive depression and inflationary problems they faced and turn Germany into the wealthiest nation at the time.

History will repeat itself again and we in the US are headed for choosing a leader that will pull us out of our problems while we turn blind eyes to loss of liberties and rights (look what we are turning blind eyes to now).

If we continue to tax and cut services to the middle class while the rich continue to get tax cuts, then we are doing far far more damage than good.

03-29-2005, 09:44 AM	#60 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I presume nothing. The fact of the matter is wages are going down,the tax base is being depleted by outsourcing, lower wages and tax cuts to the most wealthy, while our great supreme handpicked by God, Himself, leader runs higher and higher deficits spending more on militray and less on social programs and education. To make up for the loss in tax cuts and the rise in state deficits the states are raising sales taxes, and "sin" taxes. These taxes affect the middle and lower classes far more than income taxes affect the rich, to say otherwise is foolhardy and blind. When I call to order a phone with the utmost basic service and out of the 14.95 I pay, 10 of it is taxes, something is seriously wrong. That 10 doesn't mean jack to the extremely wealthy but someone living from paycheck to paycheck that 10 means a lot. When you buy gas and .44 cents/gallon is tax, it doesn't affect the extremely wealthy, but again the middle and lower classes that are trying to make it are absorbing it and losing the battle of trying to save. To sit there and say the rich pay far too many taxes when the hidden taxes and sales taxes hurt the middle classes and poor far more than a raise in the upper echelons income taxes would hurt them, there is a serious problem. Part of the advancement of the human race is based on the fact that those who have more share, we don't see that today. In essence the way the debt is and the way greed and selfishness has risen, we are headed backward not forward and we are developing into a 2 class society. Perhaps, it came with the super fast moving technology, or perhaps greed is the result of the baby-boomer generation that has been spoon fed by the press to believe they were/are the greatest generation, they had great oppurtunities and they found that money and toys are far more valuable than family and helping maintain a nice community with great schools and decent jobs. The future at the rate we are going is not going to be pretty, if we do not change the way we think, the way we do business and the way we spread our wealth, we will as a nation perish into totalitarianism and lose what we do have. I say totalitarianism because government is run by people's wallets and when the tough times come people will seek the person and party they believe have the answers and in reality it could lead to very bad things. Ask 1930's Germany, one of Hitler's greatest selling points that got him into power was the fact he was able to put people to work, lift them out of the massive depression and inflationary problems they faced and turn Germany into the wealthiest nation at the time. History will repeat itself again and we in the US are headed for choosing a leader that will pull us out of our problems while we turn blind eyes to loss of liberties and rights (look what we are turning blind eyes to now). If we continue to tax and cut services to the middle class while the rich continue to get tax cuts, then we are doing far far more damage than good. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"