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Originally Posted by Seaver
Unfortunately it doesnt take into account those who's families HAVE climed up themselves, since it's based purely on race...no one can refute that AA is racist.
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I wrote several paragraphs pointing out that you have the facts wrong.
Affirmative action programs take into account a myriad of factors, one of them being race.
When was the last time you applied to college? Perhaps application forms have changed.
If you are referring to private scholarships and funds, your issue is with the selection comittee, not the government sponsored affirmative action programs. If you are pissed that Ford Foundation carves out special niches for disadvantaged minorities, you need to contact the Foundation not whine about affirmative action.
Your facts are wrong.
The single largest group of beneficiaries of affirmative action are
white women.
Now, we should expect to see groups facing
multiple marginality obtain the most results. That is, black women or even homosexual, black women. Or hispanic women. Or homosexual hispanic women.
Or an impoverished, homosexual, black women.
Such a woman would seem toexperience discrimination from every aspect of her identity.
But such groups don't benefit the most. The group benefitting the most is
upwardly mobile, white women. That is, a group that falls very squarely in what the US is willing to accept as a desirable minority. One that is recognized and allowed past the gates of discrimination. Even saying that, however, one needs to take into account that a woman earn, on average, nearly 3/4ths of a man's lifetime earnings.
Your facts regarding affirmative action are wrong.
I hope I typed it enough times for you to do some research on your own.
You missed the point that
your facts are wrong when I put a bunch of content around that statement before. I realize now I should have made it more clear, because you followed my post with a reiteration of your
inaccurate assumptions about how affirmative actions programs operate.
What does all this mean to me?
It indicates that even with affirmative action programs, people are able to fill positions with more desirable minorities than undesirable ones. Evidence like that indicates that if programs were to shift to impoverishment as a sole basis for preference, I would expect to see a rise in and preference for white males over white females, white males over black males, white males over any other category as long as they were justifiably poor enough. Even if anything else isn't quite clear, certain political groups claim that opportunity abounds all around the United States. If any group has the ability to avail itself of such opportunity, it would be white males. I suggest they do so.
Or we could get angsty about the situation and I'm sure host can pop in here and post a novella on white affirmative action. I don't see anyone railing against those programs.
I've seen threads on them in the past, but no outcry from the same groups. Subsidies, pharma handouts, legacy admissions, congress mobalizing overnight over the plight of one white woman dying in a hospice (vs. 10 people gunned down on an Indian Reservation). The (white) government's response? Vastly different--right up to the president. One person even pointed out that indians only want sovereignty when it suits them. I didn't bother to respond because the proposition was so outlandish.
When it suits them? Please, if only affirmative action worked on white childrens' history lessons.
Actually, come to think of it, it does. Read
Lies My Teach Told Me by Dr. James Loewen for more info on that matter.
Minorities are not running this country's economic, political, or cultural axes (well, cultural is becoming problematic to white suburbia).
Hmm, a very complex situation indeed. Indeedy deed. I must confess.
If hispanics have become the majority in some regions and are discrimination against white fokes, well, pardon if I don't shed a tear for their "plight."
And yeah, I familiar with the italian, irish, and german "niggers" as they were once called.
I also know their responses--affirmative action. That's an apt term for the ability to call Uncle Pete when you want a job at the firehouse or precinct.
White groups have had a pretty good run in this country, going strong on 200 years is a pretty good headstart in the "equal" economic footrace in the U.S.
I can recognize this, it hurts to become a minority and become discriminated against so I don't hold it too strongly against white males when they moan.
In return, it behooves white males to recognize this: they are just joining the club.