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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
you told me that your opinion of what i believe cannot be wrong because it's your opinion... that really does sum up quite a bit.
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Subjectivity must not be your strong point.
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your thread is, from the start, concerned with the influence people of religious backgrounds exert on the conservative politicians in this country. it seems that you consider morality (which can be a purely secular endeavor) to be null when born out of a religious context, putting such moral codes into a separate category.
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I honestly don't know how you got from the first part to the second part, or why you have an issue with the third. Unless you really just want it to be the case.
Close on the first part, this thread is about the influence conservative people focused on religion exert over conservative people not focused on religion. No I do not consider morality to be null when born out of a religious context - and although you've been arguing that all through out this thread, in reality, you just made it up. And yes, I put religious-based moral codes into a category I label "religious-based moral codes", which is distinct from the "fiscal-based moral codes" category.
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if moral understanding from religion is unacceptable in the public forum, i'd love to know what you consider to be acceptable.
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More pulled out of thin air unrelated to topic nonsense.
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but i'll bite: i don't think that a major split will occur, but mainly for the reasons that i've been trying to drive at (the differing perceptions of how moral positions are formed in the political arena). moral decisions made by the bulk of religious people have too much relevance with the conservative agenda at large. the nature of truth, the role of government, and the responsibilities of the individual enjoy a strong link between the current iteration of christianity and conservative politics. while it may be a marriage of convenience... it's much more convenient than any current alternative.
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It's good to see you are finally on topic (regardless of whether you think you've been effectively doing so all along). I understand you personally feel that it is much more convenient. I don't expect to learn much more from you in this thread, as difficult as it has been to learn the little I have - because you are a conservative who aligns yourself with many of the religious morals as well as many of the traditional fiscal morals. For you, it is a marriage made in heaven (that's pun, get it?). For many conservatives, it is not. Hence, the thread.